Shiloh Rifle

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Kurt
probably not ,but whos gonna argue!! .................Dean
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[Harlan Sage]

Kenny,
I started this topic to get some good info and opinions on the long range rifles and loads. You know I've been a 45-90 fan and I have said I have no use for a 45-110 when a 45-90 can do the same thing. However...yup, here it comes....I am interested in possibly a 45-100 or 110. I like the idea of using 1f and possibly heavier than 540gr. We all know that the 1f has softer more manageable fouling. I am opening my bullheaded mind a little.
I know the results you and Jimbo have been getting with the 110's and it's been quite impressive. You've come a long ways with alot of work in load development.
Don't forget that my 45-90 scored the same at the Billy Dixon match as Jimbo's 45-110.
Now that you guys have done all the work and developed the loads it's time for me think more about adding another rifle. Lets just break the news to Wendy slowly....OK.

Harlan
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[JDM]

We are all looking for that magic caliber and bullet for long range shooting. Look at tha nationals in Raton,NM. Second overall and high score at 1000 Yds was Ron Calderon. Ron is the guy with the grand slam in silhouette (10 of each animal ). That pretty well sums up his shooting ability.

The magic caliber===.45-70
The magic bullet====Lyman 520 grain

The scores are the results of shooting ability and load development. There "ain't" no magic caliber or bullet.

Dave Maurer

[Kenny Wasserburger]

Harlin?

Bullheaded? you ?

No way, all kidding aside, Fg fouling does seem to be easier to manage, as you have seen Jimbo and myself loads work. Dont much matter what brand you use Swiss or Goex. One thing I have notice, is the recoil seems softer, for a better word with Fg and a 45-110. MV with Express and the Swiss is up there just where we need to be.

I do recall you total score the same as Jimbo's but Jimbo's score on the 1538 yard target was 5/6 and a new record.

Dave Maurer makes a point, that I have many times stated the same, no golden bullet or caliber. The shooter and a excellent spotter are the real requirements for this game. Excellent ammo helps a great deal also.

Spent the weekend in Lusk with that Family that lost their son on the 4th of July weekend. A hard thing to do.

Kenny Wasserburger
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[Kurt]

I probably have no right making a post on my shooting ability after my performance a few weeks ago, but I'm going to any way on this long range rifle and loads.
I don't shoot a .45/110 and I wont compare it with my big 50 except that I load it with the same powder and powder capacity and a bullet that is 200 grains heaver then the once used in the 110.
What I have found with these large capacity cases that the powder burns a lot cleaner and I get better accuracy at long range with the .50 then I do with the smaller cases.
Now I don't get to shoot long range to often unless I get out West or sneak out in the corn or bean fields in the dead of winter when the crops are out of the neighbors fields and shoot all of my calibers the .40/65, .40/70, .45/70, .45/90, .45/120 before wrecking it, and the .50/90.
The big fifty shoots the best at long range but that 120 grains of powder with a 720 grain bullet starts to ware on you when you start sending 70+ rounds down range in one sitting or a few hundred over a few consecutive days of shooting.
Kenny I'm looking forward to your 1 mile shoot, but I think I will have to bread down and put a scope on the rifle I just dont think I can see that far unless you make that target 20'x30'

Kurt
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[RMulhern]

[quote="Kurt"]I probably have no right making a post on my shooting ability after my performance a few weeks ago, but I'm going to any way on this long range rifle and loads.
I don't shoot a .45/110 and I wont compare it with my big 50 except that I load it with the same powder and powder capacity and a bullet that is 200 grains heaver then the once used in the 110.
What I have found with these large capacity cases that the powder burns a lot cleaner and I get better accuracy at long range with the .50 then I do with the smaller cases.
Now I don't get to shoot long range to often unless I get out West or sneak out in the corn or bean fields in the dead of winter when the crops are out of the neighbors fields and shoot all of my calibers the .40/65, .40/70, .45/70, .45/90, .45/120 before wrecking it, and the .50/90.
The big fifty shoots the best at long range but that 120 grains of powder with a 720 grain bullet starts to ware on you when you start sending 70+ rounds down range in one sitting or a few hundred over a few consecutive days of shooting.
Kenny I'm looking forward to your 1 mile shoot, but I think I will have to bread down and put a scope on the rifle I just dont think I can see that far unless you make that target 20'x30'

Kurt[/quote]

Kurt

In the 'dead of winter'....you need to get up with Steve Witt.....load all ya gear up and take a little vacation and drive down here to get a break from the snow shovel and ya can shoot up as much powder as ya desire! I've even got a corn field adjacent to the range......to make ya feel right at home in case ya want to stagger out into it and shoot a little, however I feel like you'd enjoy shooting from atop these yard line raised firing mounds I made 20 odd years ago instead of having to pull corn husks outa ya sock tops and britches!! I'd even take ya and put ya in a good place ya could drive one of those 720 grainers through a nice whitetail buck....iffen ya so desire if ya come in November or December! Then we could fry up some fine 'backstrap', partake of a Budweiser or two or more....sit around and tell lies or whatever! No problem with a place ta park ya carcass as I've got a upstairs apartment what has just recently been 'done over' and you'd have ya own private quarters! So....when ya gets tired of seeing that white stuff and freezing ya Yankee Arse off......COME ON DOWN!! I'm FULLY RETARDED... ..and can give ya 100% of my knowledge and expertise....as it exist!! This here was taken from atop the 1000 yd. mound:

[Kurt]

Now how can anyone turn down an invite like that.
Your right your range looks a lot easer to walk on then what I walk through to 800 yards with the corn tassels 5' over my head and coming out with cuts on the neck and face from the leaves and spiders crawling arround under my shirt.
I figure on coming down this winter to pester you and the REDNECK after the Holly days.
See you. and have a good hunt.
By the way I have deer less then 100 yards that graze when I shoot in my back yard. And the last couple mornings Turkeys been picking up some gravel and grubs in the yard.

Kurt
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[Kenny Wasserburger]

Kurt,

Dont sweat the shooting some times your the windshield and sometimes your the bug. You have a wealth of information on BP that you should and do share dont stop because of one bad day at a match. I honestly feel your lube let you down in the fast paced game known as Silhouette and the hot dry wind coming off that fire really kicked your butt.

As for the big 50 I feel they are a sorry choice for long range. The sharps catalog even says they dont do as good of work at 600 yards as the big 45's will at 1000. I pretty much agree with that.

Main reason is what you stated, to get the 50's to shoot, a 750 gr bullet to get them to the level of a 45 525-550. The resulting Recoil soon negates any equality that the 50 had.

My opinion nothing more .

Kenny
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[Kurt]

Good evening Kenny;
Yah Kenny but that was back in the late 1800's when Sharps used the light puny bullets like they use in the .45's with that slow twist
Just wait when I get that Mva scope on so I can see far off we'll have to get together and have a shoot off with your 110 and my .50

Kurt
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[Kelley O. Roos]

Choosing a caliber for long range is highly subjective. Kenny W. loves the 45-110 that is a given, except not all shooters can shoot one. Me, I am a big fan of the 45-90. then there is the camp followers of the 38's..

With the advent of wiping that is becoming more and more popular, it may not matter what caliber you choose as velocitys now can be held in closer tolorence and those velocitys are even kept higher.

What about the new bullet designs? Wiping between shots now allows for a changes in bullets.

There are endless posibilities and who says the old timers know more.

I think now only a fool would say that a certain caliber is the most superior for long range.

Kelley O.

[Kurt]

KO.
I would say your right.
I personally feel you can make most shoot well with the bullets now available from custom mould makers.
I still have some reserves on the .38's but giving good conditions and a good bullet I see no reason that would not do well.
I'm going to find out with a new .44/90 in the works now, yes I know that the .44 was replaced by the .45
sometime back but there is no reason that bullet won't fly good with these bullets now available.
In the past I had a .43 and a .40 Remington both bottle necks that shot well.
I think you can get a little better BC fron a .44 over the .45,
don't know that for sure , but I will find out.

Kurt
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[Kelley O. Roos]

Kurt,

I'm shooting a 44 and with no regrets. I think the 44 is the true target caliber.

Your 44-90 will it be the straight model or bottle neck?

Kelley O.

[Kurt]

It will be the .44/90sbn Kelley.

Kurt
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[hpguy420]

Nada
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[MLV]

Dan asks, "How many of you have seen octagonal barrels on LR rifles from the BPCR era?"

I have never seen an orginal Sharps or Remington Rolling Block Creedmoor that wasn't either full octagon or half & half. I have an original Sharps LR #2 .45-2.6" that is half & half.

The later Sharps Model 1877 had round barrels, and I believe the Remington-Hepburn Creedmoors did too, but I've only seen one of those.

Good shooting there in GA Dan.

MLV