Shiloh Rifle

bulletmaker · Joined: 15 Nov 2005 Posts: 88

Hello,

I read an older post where someone noticed there weren't many 34" Sharps at long range matches. Not talking about Silhouette and the 12 lb weight restriction. One guy at our range mentioned you don't want the 34" because it builds up extra fouling with the extra length.

I read the "Choosing your rifle" section on Shiloh's website and it mentions for long range target you want the heaviest rifle possible and doesn't really describe what makes up a 15 lb rifle.

Is it true that the 34" barrels produce more fouling than a 30" or 32"?

What configuration that would be near 15 lbs is commonly used in the long range matches? 45-90 - 45-110 calibers

You can't really go with the "it's a personal preference thing" when it costs at least 2g for one and you have to wait a year and a half to get it. I think you want to order the right config from the start.

Thanks!!

Scott Tschirhart · Joined: 11 Jun 2005 Posts: 931

I think what they are referring to is that you sometimes run out of lube in those longer barrels.

For example, my Sharps has a 26 inch barrel and I get a pretty good lube star with my loads. But shoot my loads in a 34 inch barrel, and you end up with no lube star and some leading at the end of the tube.

I think my bullets carry enough lube to work well in the 26 inch barrel, but run out of lube in longer barrels.

Just my theory.
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FJ · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 23 Location: Minnesota

I have shot the hell out of my 34" LRE from temps of -10 to
+105 and have not experienced the fabled run out of
lube/leading the last 4 " of barrel.
I MUST BE DOING SOMETHING WRONG!

Frank

Long Knife · Joined: 19 Apr 2006 Posts: 284 Location: Denver, CO.

I have a 34 in LRE in 45-110 and never experienced any lack of "lube star" and no problem ever with leading.

If your doing something wrong, fix it, don't try to blame something lame like "barrel length". Choose a barrel length based upon your preference, not on someone elses proclomations

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Tasmanian Rebel · Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Posts: 1281 Location: Bay Springs, MS

Bulletmaker, I have a 45-110 bull-barrelled 14 pounder Shiloh that makes weight. It is a #3 configuration stock that I shoot in the LR events. I even added an ebony pistolgrip to decrease the tension in my hand/wrist while shooting. You need to go with standard(or semifancy at most) wood-the fancy stuff can be heavy, no pewter nosecap, and a rubber buttpad(yes, they had buttpads like this in the 1870's). Kirk had to drill out the block and lighten the forend a little but this gun makes weight with an ounce to spare even with the rubber slip-on buttpads that I like to use in competition. This gun is remarkably accurate and there is no jump off the sticks due to the weight and stiffness of the barrel-it just slides straight back when the shot breaks.Good luck!
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bulletmaker · Joined: 15 Nov 2005 Posts: 88

I had no idea the 30" vs 34" theory was that the bullets run out of lube in the last 4" and cause extra fouling and leading. Is this a fact or just a theory?

bulletmaker · Joined: 15 Nov 2005 Posts: 88

[quote="Tasmanian Rebel"]Bulletmaker, I have a 45-110 bull-barrelled 14 pounder Shiloh that makes weight. [/quote]
I looked at Shiloh's site and the bull-barrel option is an extra $650. I can't find it anywhere but I'm assuming a std heavy 34" barrel model is around 13 lbs. Is the extra pound worth the extra $650?

Thanks

Jubilado · Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Posts: 764 Location: Central Iowa

The only thing I can offer is that, when chronographing my .45-90 with a Jones Creedmoor bullet and a 32" barrel, plenty of lube hits the chronograph and tripod 12' out. Can't say this would happen under all conditions or that there is no validity to the theory that longer barrels foul toward the end, but my load doesn't seem to run out of lube. JFWIW

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powderburner · Joined: 24 May 2003 Posts: 1797 Location: elko nv.

bulletmaker
it depends on what you want . my 30 in 14 # bull is a real joy to shoot and with the 2 &7/8 ctg the torque is a lot less making it easier to hold ..it was worth it to me as it was what I wanted........Dean
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buffalocannon · Joined: 15 Feb 2003 Posts: 1042

With my 2.6 and a 34-inch I always get a nice lube star off of a PJ Creedmoor with either SPG or Sagebrush or any other lube I have tried. Best wishes