Hoch nose pour molds

Lumpy Grits · Post by **Lumpy Grits** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:31 pm

This is for you .45-70 b/p shooters that use Hoch molds. Tell what you like and don't like about them. I am looking at the 550 gr. Creedmore 1.410'' to be used in my Shiloh .45-70 w/34'' bbl. This bullet will be used for target shooting only. And what is the length from the bottom of the top band to the base? Thanks for your time on this

"Lumpy Grits"

powderburner · Post by **powderburner** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 6:44 pm

mine measures .6695 or so it has a tapered grease groove and is kinda hard to measure cause I only got the mould, all the bullets are in the cases or the backstop. the dia. on mine measures.4575. been gonna measure it for a while cause they didnt size in a 458 sizer die this was a good reason to dig out the calipers it does ok if I ever would

Clarence · Post by **Clarence** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 7:44 pm

Lumpy,

Maybe a bit off topic. I have a Leeth Creedmore, ~544 gr., 1.435" long, with 0.715" driving section. Mine is a base pour, but I've cast with one of Fred's nose pour moulds of the same design.

I find the nose-pour touchier to cast well. You need to keep the nose-pour mould 50 degrees hotter or let the bullet cool less in the mould to get topnotch bullets than with a base-pour. Slight cooling of the nose-pour mould introduces weight variations very quickly.

I know this is a highly personal topic, but my vote goes for base pour.

I have a Hoch .40 mould, and it casts beautiful bullets when cast hot and fast!

Clarence

billyboy · Post by **billyboy** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 8:36 pm

unsized bullets from nose or base pour molds made by the top makers shoot indifferently from what i can tell, and i get just as many rejects either way.

them nose pours gots to be HOTT tho .

i run the mag20 on 10 when casting with them.

Lumpy Grits · Post by **Lumpy Grits** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 8:40 pm

Thanks to Powderburner and Clarence for the info. Clarence, where do I find out more on "Leeth" molds?

THX "Lumpy Grits"

Lumpy Grits · Post by **Lumpy Grits** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 12:15 pm

Billboy

THX. for your info. I cast at 750deg. what do you call hot??

Shiloh Sharpie · Post by **Shiloh Sharpie** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 12:39 pm

LG,

I do not like how hot the mould has to be to cast bullets. I can get my Rapine pot up to the 925 - 950 degrees F I need to, but man, that is hot. Otherwise the bases do not fill in. Also I am not convinced that the bullet it yields can outshoot my Paul Jones Creedmore #45001.

Bob Marrone

dozer · Post by **dozer** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 3:53 pm

I "had" one. It cast great bulets, BUT, as everyone says, pour hot and fast. I converted a Lyman 658 to nose pour and it works great. My conclusion from this was that the Hoch blocks are to small. I run my Lyman at the same time I'm running other lymans or RCBS and all work fine at the same temp and rate.

I normally cast fast but run 3-4 moulds at the same time to keep temp in line. The Hoch caused no end of hair pulling. I had to run it all by itself, as it liked, thus the "had" in the opening line.

BuckeyeShooter · Post by **BuckeyeShooter** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 4:32 pm

Fred Leeth can be reached at 937-833-2865. Talked to him the other day and he told me it was about a five month wait for a mould. Asked him his opinion on base pour compared to nose pour, and basically he told me that with good consistent casting technique there really isn't much difference.

Lumpy Grits · Post by **Lumpy Grits** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 4:41 pm

Buckeye... THX for the phone # for Leeth!