Model Differences

BFD · Post by **BFD** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:11 pm

You can still get it checkered, Kurt. Go for it. It would add a lot.

Kurt · Post by **Kurt** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:14 pm

You know anybody good I could trust ?

BFD · Post by **BFD** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:17 pm

Let's talk at Lodi. Remind me to bring an extra gun.

Kurt · Post by **Kurt** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:20 pm

I will. I hope I get wrinkle fixed in time in my shooting eye so I don't see a double image and gray out.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:46 pm

Don McDowell wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:08 pm Griff I haven't looked at Tom's offerings for quite a while, but if he doesn't have something along the lines of a bullet .447 or .448 diameter on the base with a nose diameter no larger than .436 or .437 in front of the driving band he'll likely make it for you. Keep the length at 1.3 or less and it'll shoot to 1000 just fine.
Another option is to have Brooks cut a grease groove bullet with his original creed moor nose, again keeping the length to no more than 1.3 in.

I have one of the RCBS 44 caliber bullets, but the nose diameter is a bit large for the Shiloh barrels, or at least this one is. I believe BACO offers a grease groove bullet of similar design.
You may want to call BACO and ask about their reformed brass to see when they're doing another run, could be like their bullet moulds they show out of stock, as soon as you call they'll build it.

Thanks again. All of this is going into my notes as I let everything stew this year.

Griff

whoop-up country · Post by **whoop-up country** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:55 pm

You probably already know this, but just in case you missed it.
There are 3 .45-70 sporter #3s , and 2 .45-70 Hartford models in the Shiloh Gun Inventory Room right now.
You could pick one and save your year or more wait, and caliber choice, and pick one of them, and get it right away.
Just a thought.

Bob.

Don McDowell · Post by **Don McDowell** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:19 pm

Griff I looked at Tom's designs. I would think the 44-400s or the 44-425 E would be pretty decent bullets for general work. Probably shoot to 800 yards alright, might even make 1000, but there would be better bullets for the long range stuff.

PEteacher · Post by **PEteacher** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:59 pm

Griff,

You sound a lot like me. My main attractions to the Shiloh Sharps are: the simple joy of shooting such an historical tool so superbly produced, having such a work of art accompanying me in my deer blind, and having an investment I can enjoy and know my three kids will enjoy when I am gone.

I have two Shilos, with a third ordered - three rifles for three different purposes.

Following the advice of many on this forum, my first Shiloh (which I thought would be my only one) is my general purpose jack-of-all-trades Sporter #1 in 45-2.1. Second, is a plain Sporter #3 in 40-65 with 30" standard weight barrel that serves as a deer rifle, and as a softer shooting rifle for introducing new shooters to this BPCR "hobby".

My third, and "probably" last ( since retirement is in the near future) comes from viewing many, many photos of original Sharps "buffalo rifles". As a Kansan, I decided to get a hard-core buffalo rifle based on those used in the early Kansas buffalo hunts. It will be a Sporter #3 in 50-90 with standard grade wood, and a 30" 1 in 36" twist, 14 pound barrel, and military buttplate (I might fudge a bit and switch to the checkered shotgun buttplate.) I know, the wait for this one might be a bit longer!

If I decide to compete, the 45-2.1 will do. For hunting without much walking, either the 45-2.1 or the 40-65 will go along. For plain "kicks" (pun intended) the big fifty on cross sticks will do. Three very different rifles.

As a public school teacher for 36 years, I am not a wealthy man, yet I will soon be the owner of THREE of these amazing works of art! Patience and a consistent savings plan (In my case,Dave Ramsey) can put these rifles into the hands of about anyone who really wants them. And I highly recommend a trip to Big Timber to visit and tour Shiloh!

Jeff.

BFD · Post by **BFD** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:06 pm

, Jeff I especially like your 3rd rifle.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:05 pm

whoop-up country wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:55 pm You probably already know this, but just in case you missed it.
There are 3 .45-70 sporter #3s , and 2 .45-70 Hartford models in the Shiloh Gun Inventory Room right now.
You could pick one and save your year or more wait, and caliber choice, and pick one of them, and get it right away.
Just a thought.

Bob.

I have seen those, but a couple of things makes me hold off (for now). I haven't seen exactly what I want, but more significantly, this will be a retirement rifle, but I don't retire until next year, so I'm waiting until it's official.

Don McDowell wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:19 pm Griff I looked at Tom's designs. I would think the 44-400s or the 44-425 E would be pretty decent bullets for general work. Probably shoot to 800 yards alright, might even make 1000, but there would be better bullets for the long range stuff.

Thank you for doing this research for me. You are most kind to take the time. More details for my notes...

BFD wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:06 pm , Jeff I especially like your 3rd rifle.

I agree. That just sounds cool.

I should add that I placed my order in person in Big Timber a couple of weeks ago. I'm also hoping to go back and pick up the rifle in person.

To all of you, thank you again for your input and help!

Griff

Don McDowell · Post by **Don McDowell** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:24 pm

Griff always glad to help, enjoy what ever you end up with. These Shiloh's are just a pleasure to own..I have 5, and am expecting the call that #6 is ready to pickup or ship, and I'm wrestling with the details for #7. It'll be a #1 32 inch standard barrel 44-77, just wrestling around trying to decide what if any extra's to throw on it... But occasionally the thoughts of a Hartford keeps cropping up but the chamber and barrel will stay the same.

Yellowhouse · Post by **Yellowhouse** » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:57 am

Pricey and backordered but it could be an option. https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categori ... E-44-77-RB

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:02 pm

Don McDowell wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:32 pm Buffalo Arms is offering brass formed and ready to go for the 44-77. So that problem isn't as large as it might seem, especially as you're not contemplating enough brass on hand to shoot a match.

Per Buffalo Arms, they try to keep this brass in stock, but when they run out, it can take several months to do another run. This is good news to me--I had thought that this was kind of like Jamison brass--some online stores show it as out of stock/backordered, but it is gone. I had seen other, more expensive options, but I wasn't sure that I wanted to make that kind of investment. The prices listed for Buffalo Arms brass seems much more reasonable.

There. I changed my mind again. For now...

Griff

Don McDowell · Post by **Don McDowell** » Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:12 pm

I know of 2 other 44-77's in the build stage, not counting yours and mine.

So maybe it won't take them to long to get them back in stock.

Kurt · Post by **Kurt** » Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:49 pm

You might do a search for .44 Bell Basic brass. There might still be some on E-Bay
I used it for the .22-2 5/8 BN and the .44-77 before Jamison made it. Also HDS from Huntington out of Ca.

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