Passover, the beginning of the end of Covid 19

[mdeland]

Israels very existence is an impossibility if you know their history and yet there they are! Only nation in history to be completely dismantled and scattered through out the earth and then to be reunited and regain their sovereignty, just as for told. It ain't no accident fellas!

[bruce m]

and treating the Palestinians like the germans treated them.
pretending to negotiate a peace while continuing to build more settlements.
indirectly influencing foreign governments by covert means.
and the list goes on.

[mdeland]

Your "facts" about the Palestinians are propaganda Bruce! Radical Muslims except only one tenant, Israel must be destroyed and you cannot make peace with a neighbor of that mine set no matter how much they try.
Besides, it just isn't going to happen no matter if the whole world wants Israel gone and at some point they will. Adonai has the last word every time no matter what mortals think.

[bruce m]

you need to read seven pillars of wisdom, by t e Lawrence, with an understanding of how the jews influenced Britain, france and America after the first world war.
bruce.

[SSShooter]

you need to read seven pillars of wisdom, by t e Lawrence, with an understanding of how the jews influenced Britain, france and America after the first world war.
bruce.

"Against Our Better Judgement" by Alison Wier is another 'illuminating' read. "Ben Gurion.........." by Shabtai Teveth, while somewhat tedious, is also informational.

[desert deuce]

We have seen the enemy of America, and that enemy is us.

Keep a weather eye on Israel she is the Key to what Yeshua is doing in the world.

The Congress, Courts the Executive have been infiltrated by people that put self interest ahead of America's best interests.

Americans ignored the recommendations of the 911 Commission, likely because it conflicted with collective self interest.

America is becoming a lawless country incrementally from ignoring the constitution to not enforcing critical laws.

America First does not include globalism, open borders, communism, political correctness, diversity or climate change. Those are just projections to distract from what is really important to the health of America. And what about the press?

Orwell was right.

[mdeland]

Hence we see the continual folly of men trying to direct their own path apart from the creator and his word! The adversary is very good at his job of deception, having a long time to work at it but his end is foretold as well and he knows it's drawing near !

[desert deuce]

Bruce, applying Orwell's we have met the enemy and we are him consider this.

USA, Australia and especially New Zealand and most of the rest of the so called free world are in greater imminent danger from our elected officials than any other one group.

[bruce m]

zack,
I remember Kennedy's speech "think not what your country can do for you, but rather what you can do for your country."
up until my mid teens, the majority of Australians thought this way, and the rest capitalized on it.
now it is everyone for themselves, grasping and grubbing at any cost.
we in Australia have basically given up on politicians in almost any way.
any politician with a vision is either destroyed by the others, or becomes like them as a matter of course.
we don't trust them and accept that as the norm.
they play 2 games.
one is pretending to do the best for us and the country.
the other (real game) is feathering their own nests.
the crux of the matter is that it is the people who elect them, so we get what we deserve.
in essence they are us.
bruce.

[bruce m]

mike,
how many religions and sects believe they ar chosen by god?
which one is right?
are any right?
religion through history has proven to be one of the greatest causes of suffering and misery to mankind through one groups' failure to recognize the other's possibly equal right to believe.
unless you are a jew, according to their belief you are doomed, and as such are a non entity.
jehova' witnesses are similar.
where do the teachings of Christ come into this?
they don't.
in fact Christians do not accept jewry as a religion and vice versa.
who is right?
there is a path to be trod here yet to learn for humans, and let's hope that the jews do not destroy the opportunity for the rest of the world in the mistaken belief that god chose them and only them to be his people.
bruce.

[mdeland]

Test Torah ( teaching of God) any way you choose to see how it stacks up. You will find it will easily stand any test if approached with an open mind and heart of honesty and integrity. It will stand the test of history, science, culture, intellectualism, philosophy and false religious creeds. The reason this is so is because the Word of God is incarnate, inseparable from his person.
Jeshua is the WORD of God come in the flesh! Either it's all true or it's all lie. There's no middle ground.

[SFogler]

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and treating the Palestinians like the germans treated them.
pretending to negotiate a peace while continuing to build more settlements.
indirectly influencing foreign governments by covert means.
and the list goes on.

You are so very wrong about Jews and Israel. In reverse order:
Influence: The Saudis, Iran, and China have more of our politicians in their pockets than Israel will ever be able to afford. Like the Bushes, Obama, Biden, etc etc. Pelosi's first thought when the COVID hit was how can we send money to Iran and ease the sanctions. Iran's philosophy on nukes is "smoke em if ya got em". So worry about Iran not Israel.

Settlements: That could refer to the US Bureau of Indian Affairs. Seems like a lot of pretend treaties got signed while a lot of settlements in America were being built on somebody else's land. And it wasn't even purchased like most of the Israeli land was. There are still reservations in this country for crying out loud.

Treatment: The Germans conducted a mass extermination of Jews on an industrial scale. Hardly the case in Israel. Sickening to see someone make a comparison like that. Pure propaganda. Arabs can get jobs in Israel if they bother to learn Hebrew. The Druse (Muslim sect) serve in the Israeli army with distinction. Have you been there? I have. And Qatar. I'll say the Arab women in Israel have it about 1000 times better than women in Qatar in terms of what they are allowed to wear, driving a car, basic human rights, and every other standard. Shari'a Law and the Koran is what is oppressing the Arabs worldwide - not Jews.

We are talking about a country the size of New Jersey with only 40% of that even arable - the rest is total desert. But the fact that Jews control that tiny part of the world is somehow intolerable for life on this planet. Sheesh. Did the Israelis invent global warming too?

If you don't like religions or see any relevance to them - that's your business, but you might want to consider which of those religions are trying to kill us and are doing so with regularity. Which of the world's religions cheer when they see the COVID death rate in the US. Which of the world's religions is diametrically opposed through its foundational ideology and its prophet to every single principle our country stands for. Hint: it ain't Israel or Jews. Compare the Ten Commandments with Shari'a Law and tell me which will most likely produce a better family - a better society.

"Exodus" and "The Haj" both by Leon Uris are excellent historical background stories about the birth of modern Palestine from both sides - Jew and Palestinian. Watch "Above and Beyond" about Israeli pilots in 1948 and how they saved Israel from total slaughter by the surrounding Muslim nations. Amazon Prime https://www.amazon.com/Above-Beyond-Jes ... deo&sr=1-2
And the Holocaust Museum in Jerusalem is worth the effort too.

[TAA]

That often repeated line from John Kennedy’s 1961 inaugural speech was not written by him or his speechwriter. It was authored by Kahlil Gibran in his book “The Prophet” published in 1923. This is a book of (26) prose poetry fables. He was a Lebanese-American poet/writer. The book has been translated into (100) languages, one of the most translated books and has never been out of print. If I could find my copy I’d tell you what page Kennedy’s speech line appears on.

When Israel was formed in 1948, that year was the start of the third and last Biblical generation.

FWIW

Tom

[bobw]

Good post S Fogler. bobw

[desert deuce]

Facts are daunting obstacles to contemporary thinking. Enlightening even.

Contemplating changing S Fogler's nick name from El Primero (the first) to Numero Uno (number one). El Jefe (The Chief) or His Eminence is not expansive enough and doesn't quite fit for that reason.

Abbreviation for Numero Uno would be #1.