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Shooting USA
I'm sitting here watching Shooting USA the Vegas Shot show and my have firearms changed. I haven't kept up with the modern rifles for many years and I been looking at some rifles and hand guns that are in my eyes the ugliest stuff now on the market. Do they still make a wood stocked rifle ? or a barrel that looks like a barrel with out a exhaust pipe on a truck to keep from getting burned when bumping it getting out of the cab?
Been watching it now for 3/4 hrs hoping to see the Shiloh display or other single shot rifles.
Been watching it now for 3/4 hrs hoping to see the Shiloh display or other single shot rifles.
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Some of the new items are amazing for accuracy and the optics’s! But for me they don’t have the ‘soul’ the character the art and craftsmanship. Watching some of the online auctions, those rifles are works of art, masterpieces. There are even some companies that still make those! .Thank you Shiloh.
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I'm with you Kurt. We don't have the number of 'black rifles' that most of you guys have access too.. but there are so many 'black rifle look alike' replacement stocks and the abundance of stainless steel and synthetics does nothing for me. Variations on bolt throws to speed up the process of rechambering, muzzle brakes everywhere. So much seems an exercise in what can be achieved.. more so than what needs to be achieved. To each their own I guess.. but give me blued steel and walnut or comparable wood any day. Yes indeed... thanks to Shiloh.
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Kurt, your attitude is a bummer....
I was counting on you to screw a muffler on that 50-140. It would make it tolerable to shoot next to you
I was counting on you to screw a muffler on that 50-140. It would make it tolerable to shoot next to you
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Wait.....I recall someone referring to my 94 Winchester as a "Primitive Weapon."
As a kid I could have bought 3 nice 92 Winchesters for the price of one 94. That has changed.
As a kid I could have bought 3 nice 92 Winchesters for the price of one 94. That has changed.
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desert deuce wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:41 pm Wait.....I recall someone referring to my 94 Winchester as a "Primitive Weapon."
As a kid I could have bought 3 nice 92 Winchesters for the price of one 94. That has changed.
Here I was always under the impression when you was a kid, the wheel lock was the new great step forwards in firearms technology, that most of the old guys said would never catch on....
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I' m looking at my newest acquisition hanging on the wall. An original Remington contract musket , Zouave. 1863. Wood, brass, steel, craftsmanship,
that is what a firearm is supposed to look like. How many 'plastic' guns are on the wall and are having their CNC 'craftmanship' admired?
No one is rubbing oil and museum wax on their stock while watching a western on TV at night.
nope, I'll stick with my Sharps, CW muskets, etc.
Ken
that is what a firearm is supposed to look like. How many 'plastic' guns are on the wall and are having their CNC 'craftmanship' admired?
No one is rubbing oil and museum wax on their stock while watching a western on TV at night.
nope, I'll stick with my Sharps, CW muskets, etc.
Ken
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I have always liked wood stocks there is soooooooo much more beauty in a gun when it has a wood stock and have it on my rifle that I built from scratch, but I also "like" the newer black guns as I do own a couple. I think in todays "throw away" society and the "its all about me" attitude, newer shooters don't and wont appreciate fine craftsmanship even if it hit them in the head. Im not saying that the newer guns aren't made with pride and quality but, people are cheap and they want it fast, accurate and will let small things slide so save a few dollars. I am not a fan of that, I don't think that "we" as people should accept that and strive for the best that we all can do no matter what were doing!! You can see this in Shiloh's rifles....They care, they wont let profits get in the way of quality, no matter how backed up they get and to me that is what makes a good gunmaker, a GREAT gunmaker!!
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Some of the prices they quoted were not cheap throwaways. One of what they said was a pistol with a folding stock he said you can get it for 4499. I'm sure that it was not $44.99.
They had a one maybe two second walkby flash of lever rifles and one wood stocked short barreled M-1 Garand Tanker.
They had a one maybe two second walkby flash of lever rifles and one wood stocked short barreled M-1 Garand Tanker.
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The scopes they are putting on some of the PRC rifles will cost as much as a Shiloh.
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5000.00 scopes don't matter when the firing line is engulfed in BP smoke best to you all art
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I never could see how Shiloh could put out such quality for the price they charge (truely a bargain) but single shots are a nitch market compared to hunting bolt rifles and shot guns.
My main bolt gun (Mauser hunting rifle) has a Kevlar black stock and I wouldn't have anything else for hunting up here, especially on Kodiak or the Chain. Same deal with my .284 Sheep rifle. Sheep and goat hunting is nearly as hard on a rifle and scope as hunting in a salt water environent.
A Shiloh stock or any other wood stock will swell up like a gourd riding around in a salt water sciff for a week and side ways rain all day long. Blued steel and even stainless which will not be far behind to rust have to be rinsed off and dried out. Blued guns will pit over night if you don't get the salt off which usually means hosing them down or slucing them off in a creek, then runing some patches down bore..
I still don't own an AR but it is hard to not have need for a Glock or Sig for a personal carry hide out gun. Nothing made of wood and blued steel ( they are not blued) comes close to filling that need in my opinion.
My main bolt gun (Mauser hunting rifle) has a Kevlar black stock and I wouldn't have anything else for hunting up here, especially on Kodiak or the Chain. Same deal with my .284 Sheep rifle. Sheep and goat hunting is nearly as hard on a rifle and scope as hunting in a salt water environent.
A Shiloh stock or any other wood stock will swell up like a gourd riding around in a salt water sciff for a week and side ways rain all day long. Blued steel and even stainless which will not be far behind to rust have to be rinsed off and dried out. Blued guns will pit over night if you don't get the salt off which usually means hosing them down or slucing them off in a creek, then runing some patches down bore..
I still don't own an AR but it is hard to not have need for a Glock or Sig for a personal carry hide out gun. Nothing made of wood and blued steel ( they are not blued) comes close to filling that need in my opinion.
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Mike I hunted Alaska for 35 years. I never had a SS rifle and never ruined a blued one either. I used wood stocks for many years successfully I might add. I did go to fiberglass stocks on problem rifles but I had no problem on most wood stocked rifles that were glass bedded in the action and a generous free floating of the barrel. I hunted a lot out of Valdez and never pitted a barrel inside or out. I did remove some blueing as salt water will remove blueing quickly. I still do not have a SS rifle and all my hunting is done with a wooden stock. Though my hunting these days is not as rough and tumble as hunting with horses in Alaska. I do go back from time to time and carry a wooden stocked rifle when I do. Take care Raymond
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Mike A couple other thoughts. I always kept my muzzles taped up with black tape. I always had a coating of Johnson's paste wax on a rifle going toward salt water. We also had a luxury that only horse hunting allows. We had our rifles in a scabbard. Margo made rip stop nylon covers for them and we could ride for days in the rain or snow and the rifles stayed almost 100% dry. Hunting now with a SS and fiberglass stocked rifle would make things easier no doubt. Also I learned to have a renewed respect for rifles with a two piece stock. My Savage 99 in .284 was my goto caribou and everyday Alaska rifle. While we have gotten to the point where everyone knows that only a bolt action rifle is worthy of going afield. Two piece stocks do not have the issues of holding zero that one piece stocks do. Raymond