Old derelict revivals

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mdeland
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In the fourth picture of the tang sight note the two hole window in the base. Inside this is a cylindrical drum with integrations showing through the two hole window. The staff is loosened at the lower knurled tower thread and can move side to side for windage adjustment. The U shaped affair is a collar I milled and tapped each end that has opposing screws that fit into small holes in each end pushing against the drum. This arrangement allows precise lateral movement of windage adjustment that can be locked down from both ends along with the lower tower thread purchase into the drum.
The upper tower story is the elevation adjustment with a jamb nut purchase. I made and extension for the upper tower that gives more elevation adjustment. The whole unit folds down and is kept vertical with a flat spring in the base just like any other tang staff.
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Nice little rifle. The late, great Michael Petrov said that everybody needs a good dependable "Brown Rifle" - something old and heavily worn, patinated into a deep brown, that you can throw in the truck or take camping and if you drop it in the creek it's none the worse for wear.
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About two months ago I re-barreled a trapdoor into a nice little carbine and it came out so nice I hated to give her back. That rifle had a similar rear tang set into the stock with a nice banded blade up front. It looked and felt so good that it gave me ideas for this gun and got me going again on the little rifle.
Let's see some of you guys "Brown Rifles" Ahe? :lol:
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mdeland wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 5:59 pm I drill a hole with a carbide drill 1/16 in. , fit a drill rod and lock-tite in place then taper it from back to front so the hammer cock won 't catch. It cams up to full cock cutting about half of the engagement.
Mike, on my old Rollers I just solder a copper shim along the back face. Its not a wear surface. It seems easier. Is there another reason to do it your way?
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I have done it that way with steel shims but they still needed to be angled so the sear nose wouldn't trip on the corner and sweat on lifts can come loose over time. None of those issues will ever rise with the drill rod method.
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I'm going to take the old girl (43 Spanish) roller carbine to the range tomorrow and get her regulated for next weeks match. If she does good I will use it for the chickens at 50 meters and perhaps the pigs at 100. I plan on trying the new 357 Mag cadet load on the turkeys at 150 and rams at 200. I really like these off hand matches using these old rebuilt rifles and lead bullets.
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What bullet are you using? I worked up a load for a friend who has a full dress military roller and original sights in 43 Spanish, don't remember how much weight of 2 fg Elephant I used but it filled the case to the top. Put a 44 card wad on it and compressed far enough to get the Lyman 439186 seated to the crimp groove. As I recall 5 shots went into 4" at 100 yes not real good but not to bad on the 1 st attempt. Big thing was it was a battlefield zero about 12" high. Lube star after 5 shots and dragons blood fouling dry and needed more than blow tubing for good shooting.Wiping with that powder would probably been the way to go. But the owner was happy with that and that's where I stopped. Bobw
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I have read some horror story's when they lighten the springs on a roller that the firing pin can get knocked back hard enough to unlock the action and the case comes flying back.
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The bullet I'll be using is one of my own design a bit over 400 grains and is flat pointed. The load is 10 grains of Unique with no wad at all. It shoots pretty clean for Unique with no leading but can't be going much over 1000 fps if that. It's accurate, mild of recoil and is all that is needed for knocking the chickens off at 50 meters or pigs at 100.
The Pedersoli rollers have an issue for unlocking the block if the main spring is reduced substantially but I've never had it happen nor heard of it happening on any Remington Roller. The reason I read is that Pedersoli changed the geometry on the camming arch of the hammer/block lock up and this was the reason for the issue.
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Photo of bullets used. The Lyman bullet on the left was given to me (about 100) and is what I'll be shooting next week at the monthly match. The one on the right is one I designed and cut the mold for. You will notice a ring on the ogive bottom which I purposely cut to get it to ride the land tops up front and center it up in the leade.
My original cut did not have the nose riding the bore so I put the mold back in the four jaw chuck , re-centered it and experimented with the little band to see if that would help in alignment and it worked. It shoots every bit as good as the Lyman bullet.
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I have a lot to learn of mold cutting but each attempt gets better as I learn the nuance of boring tool design.
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I took the Roller out today and did some load testing and found I have to add some brass to the top of the front sight to get the poi down. The rear tang tower will not go down far enough to lower the poi at 50 meters to center bull so I will sweat on a brass shoe on top of the blade and bring the impact point lower.
I found out I have an extra week before the match so that should give me time to get back out to the range next Saturday and get it regulated. Sure is fun to shoot that little carbine.
I did get the .357 Mag with the new RCBS bullet sighted in for all four distances and the .357 Max likes the same bullet really well too.
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I sweat on a brass strip on top of the front sight yesterday adding about .075 which should be enough to make the rear tang sight tower adjust low enough for center bull at 50 meters. Touched it up with Oxpho-blue to match the color of the rest of the gun as best I could.
It makes a very good sight picture through the rear aperture.
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I used the Force 44 low temp silver solder which has a rating of 14 K psi hold strength, about four times what epoxy does and 3/4 's of what high temp silver solder yields. It took a bit of hammer forging work to get the brass to bend around the steel blade but worked out nicely to form fit the profile before the sweating drew it up tight.
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Why didn't you remove the sight from the barrel before you sweated the brass on? You got that thing hot enough to change the temper in the end of the barrel, for crying out loud. Not even a roller deserves to have a bubba job like that applied to it. rdnck
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