Newbie question on PP bullets sticking in barrel.

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Newbie question on PP bullets sticking in barrel.

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I know this has been covered and I can’t find a relevant thread. My search feature only allows me to search 1 or 2 words and I can’t find anything (or haven’t found it yet)

So last night I got to meet my new Shiloh! After 2 plus years of waiting, got to hold her in my hands! She is beautiful but I now have a question.

I loaded a few PP rounds for testing and when I chamber a round, I need a bit of thumb pressure to seat the last 1/2”. When I go to remove the round, it only extracted about 1/2” and I had to pull the case out with my fingers. The case extracted but the bullet stayed in the barrel. It was easily pushed out with a cleaning rod and I had light rifling marks, but no damage on the patch. There was some oil on the patch from the barrel though, they ship with the bore well oiled...

It’s a .45-110 and the bullet was patched to .450” I remeasured the bullet over the patch and it still reads .450.”

The rifling marks go from the beginning of the full diameter portion of the bullet back to just ahead of the end of the case.

Bullets were very lightly taper crimped, just to hold the bullet, but it could still be turned in the case. The rifle has a standard chamber.

Is this ok?
What did I do wrong and what do I need to do?
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It should be OK, Snug fit of the bore ride PP bullet on the lands, no paper damage.
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Everything sound perfectly normal for a target load. I have the same thing if I for any reason have to extract a cartridge, the bullet in both my .45-70 and .44-77 will stay in the bore and only the case is extracted. You would have to have the bullet held tightly in the case for it to pull the bullet from the bore or the bullet would have to be loose in the bore, neither of which is what you want in a target load.

It does sound like your seating the bullets in the case a ways, which fine and there are other people here who know more of the particulars in loading the .45-110 so I'll leave that to them. In my .45-70 my bore diameter paper patch bullets are seated very shallow to allow for more powder in that short case so all but about .090" of the bullet is pushed into the bore and it's a snug fit, but that is what aligns the bullet so well with the bore and what makes it very accurate.
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jim,
i think guys that target shoot with a 2 7/8 should be morally obliged to load their ammo how you load your 45/70.
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bruce,

You mean filled to the brim, seat a wad in the case .080" and the bullet on top? That would be a load and a half of powder! Works for me! :D
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Yes, it has allways worked for me. 106 grs+ hard card ,compression, lube wad, hard card, size down the neck if needed, seat the patched bullet 1/8". .4495" bullet in a .450 bore damn near all the way. Your barrel is the finest inline seater in existance. Shooting next to someone with a smokeless loaded 40-65 or 45-70 Is a pain in the butt , you can't hear them go off. As far as the bullet sticking deal no problem.don't load until it's your turn to shoot. Bobw
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bobw wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:27 pm Shooting next to someone with a smokeless loaded 40-65 or 45-70 Is a pain in the butt , you can't hear them go off.
Except in Kurt's instance, he can't hear anything, he goes off of the recoil, when he shoots his 40-65 he doesn't know if it went off because of no recoil, he has to look down the barrel to check :roll: :lol:

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hey bob,
one of those wads and the lube wad could be considered a waste of valuable powder space. :wink:
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Thanks for the info guys. Everything I have read about patching to bore diameter speaks to the bullets fitting somewhat snug into the rifling, but I don’t recall them speaking to the bullet remaining in the bore if the unfired round is removed. Although it makes perfect sense.
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your doing it right!!! Very little crimp and patching to bore perfectly. The way you are loading is more set up for target/match situations not hunting where you would take to round in and out. If you want more of a hunting round you can try and seat the bullet in further(.125+) and add a tick more crimp, or switch to a groove dia PP bullet so you dont have to worry about it coming out if you need it to in the field. For most of the loads Ive found with bore dia PP bullets the further out you go the better the group gets, not saying yours wont be different though.


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Shadow 4 wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:33 pm
bobw wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:27 pm Shooting next to someone with a smokeless loaded 40-65 or 45-70 Is a pain in the butt , you can't hear them go off.
Except in Kurt's instance, he can't hear anything, he goes off of the recoil, when he shoots his 40-65 he doesn't know if it went off because of no recoil, he has to look down the barrel to check :roll: :lol:

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YEs, Kurt,
I have been leaning towards the smaller calibers. Girly guns if you will.
I am enjoying the H out of them. Latest being the 38-50 RH. I do also have a
35-50 and a 32-40 Rem Hep to work with even more "Girly" So What!!
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YEs, Kurt,
I have been leaning towards the smaller calibers. Girly guns if you will.
I am enjoying the H out of them. Latest being the 38-50 RH. I do also have a
35-50 and a 32-40 Rem Hep to work with even more "Girly" So What!!
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Williamsmattc wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 3:12 am Thanks for the info guys. Everything I have read about patching to bore diameter speaks to the bullets fitting somewhat snug into the rifling, but I don’t recall them speaking to the bullet remaining in the bore if the unfired round is removed. Although it makes perfect sense.
It's a non issue. it's good you are patching to bore and not groove though. I started out on the wrong track with the wrong bullets. I patch my 540 grain money bullet to .449" and I'm shooting 102 gr of OE 1.5f.
I've had the same issue you had. bullet just a little snug in the bore and you have to bump it out with a cleaning rod. This is due to the Full length sizing die being set up for groove diameter bullets. you can't squeeze the case down enough for typical neck tension. These loads don't appreciate neck tension anyway. Some top level shooters don't even resize the brass. they just clean it, reprime it and go.
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kcstott wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:44 pm
Some top level shooters don't even resize the brass. they just clean it, reprime it and go.


This is why we shoot DDPP bullets, no sizing, more powder, better case to chamber fit, better bullet to chamber fit and less bullet bump up, keeping the bullets original shape better, and in theory making it, more accurate. I have seen a huge increase in pts this past yr switching from a straight sided PP to a DDPP, many more X's than ever. The trend seems to follow with just about any who try, if they are willing to give them a shot....pun intended :lol:

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