Dual Diameter mould from BACO

[bruce m]

kenny
55y will patch to a tiny bit smaller od than 55w - a handy feature.
you can crib a little bit more by getting the paper wet both sides and giving it a bit of stretch as you roll it on.
bruce.

[Kenny Wasserburger]

Bruce,
Yes a handy feature, my patches are wet on a sponge and water drips from them. They do stretch a bit very handy indeed.

I had the chance to disassemble several original factory PP bullets a few years ago, the paper was almost glued to the bullet. I can see where Paul Matthews got that idea, however I have disassembled some of my patched bullets, they also after drying with my distilled water and rubbing alcohol wetting agent, it would make you think they were glued if one didn’t know better. Factory patched bullets were wet patched. Even Hugo Borchardt’s patching machine shows it in the drawings.

I found the 55Y paper it’s still a bit snug but they look awesome.

Kenny

[Kenny Wasserburger]

55Y paper still snug but go in much easier, wet patched sponge in a coffee saucer, with distilled water and some rubbing alcohol added, Coffee warmer dried.

[bruce m]

in my mind i think the yellow seems to stick more than the white, but it comes off in nice confetti which is what matters.
if the bullets do not compress the powder and/or wads when you chamber the round, a fairly tight fit in the bore is not detrimental.
sometimes patches coated lightly with tallow will slide in a bit easier.
interestingly even that little bit of tallow makes wiping a little easier.
tallow does not seem to affect patches to the extent of oils.
but i believe you need to get the same amount rubbed on the same way to get the same results.
can't wait to go further down the path with you on this one.

bruce.

[Don McDowell]

It'll be interesting to see the results on the target.
With the tight fitting bullets I've found the 55Y to give the edge in accuracy. Sometimes not a lot, but enough.
Some of my rifles like the jojoba oil on the exposed patch and some don't.

[JWL]

I notice that most if not all PP moulds in their catalog are flat base. Is this one a flat base and if so why? My only experiences with paper patch are with hollow bases, what's with the flat base?

[JWL]

I notice that most if not all PP moulds in their catalog are flat base. Is this one a flat base and if so why? My only experiences with paper patch are with hollow bases, what's with the flat base?

[Kurt]

The hollow based bullet was the mimi ball used in the smooth bore and rifled muzzle loaders. The cup based bullet came around with the tail twisted patch to tug the twisted tail into to keep the wad under the patched bullet flat so it does not get pushed into the cupped base. Twisted tailed PP bullets used in cartridge rifles all but disappeared when the just folded over patch came in use what most use now days.

I think the reason they twisted the patch tail was so when they sold patched bullets in the past the patch stayed on the bullets better than just the fouled under patched bullets so they needed a cup or a dish base bullet.

[JWL]

Thanks Kurt, I'll have to give the flat base a try.

[Kurt]

JWL,

We have a collectors gun show not far from me every year and there and often there are rifles with targets and bullets plus loading equipment in the wooden rifles cases and the bullets with the rifles the large percentage where flat based with the patch folded under like most use now. Not twisted.

[bruce m]

It'll be interesting to see the results on the target.
With the tight fitting bullets I've found the 55Y to give the edge in accuracy. Sometimes not a lot, but enough.
Some of my rifles like the jojoba oil on the exposed patch and some don't.

it is all about the fit.
bruce.

[Kenny Wasserburger]

Tested today 55Y paper. Shot at 200 yards, the Eynsford load is nearly .5 MOA. The Goex load just a touch over 1.8 tall by 2.5 inches[attachment=0]EDBBE1D3-5D58-4941-A1CF-613F24CB1EF9.jpeg[/attachment][attachment=0]EDBBE1D3-5D58-4941-A1CF-613F24CB1EF9.jpeg[/attachment]

[Kenny Wasserburger]

Rest of photos.....


Thanks to Jim an Arnie......we have a winner I believe.

Kenny Wasserburger

[semtav]

That looks good Kenny !!
I really like the looks of that extra groove dia section.
Need to get one ordered so ill have it when my Shiloh arrives.
I just got a 40 cal dd bullet and im pretty sure im going to wind up extending the groove section of it before im thru.

[Kenny Wasserburger]

It sure looks like a winner, and hope everyone has enjoyed the ride. Arnie and Jim helped me a good deal to realize my version of the DD bullet, I think it will work well in. 90-100-110 case length. With a Shiloh GG chamber, it’s the cats ass. Although I have shot excellent groups and scores with the fat bullet thin paper Money bullet also.

At 1.490 long and 548.2 grs avg weight in 15-1 alloy using the 95/5 solder for tin it won’t be for everyone. Taken down from 20-1 alloy, so still a small percentage of Antimony.

I will take a Shiloh standard chamber any day, over any other.

Kenny Wasserburger