Christmas 2019?

[Pink Panther]

I'm gathering my info for a 1877 sharps and can't seem to find the descriptions of the different sights on line? Am I missing it somewhere? I intend to use the rifle for silhouette but might take it sometime to a Quigley shoot at some point. Suggestions?

Thanks .. and Merry Christmas!

[kenny s]

the sights are all listed in the Shiloh brochure....

[Randy Bohannon]

The MVA sights are to which all others are compared, with that said and for what you described as your needs the MVA LR Buffalo Soule. It will do everything you wish and then some with aplomb.Add a Hadley cup you're good to 1K and a bit more depending on cartridge.
https://montanavintagearms.com/product/ ... e-buffalo/

[jackrabbit]

I have and have used nearly all the major brands of sights and truly find it to be a matter of personal preference. My favorites are those made by Steve Baldwin (baldwinsights.com), although MVA is a good choice as well. I disagree with the idea of the long range buffalo version. A bunch of extra staff sticking up is clumsy and the I see no need for the extra windage. Rarely is it needed, and if you do, it is so windy miserable out I am probably going to the house. Besides, you can just hold off and have about as much luck as shooting in 50 mph crosswinds is just a crap shoot anyway. Trust me, I know what wind is. I also prefer the Hadley cup of the style Steve uses as it does not get accidentally turned out of position like the ones with the dial on the outside of the cup can. Any of the brands in a standard soule midrange will likely serve you well, save a few bucks, and not be this monster contraption screwed to your tang.
Everyone has to find their own way,
Cody

[Lumpy Grits]

I will also vote for the MVA, L/R Buffalo Soule. MVA also has a mid-range version as well.
The extra windage is handy to have.
Gary

[MacRob46]

I cranked every bit of the windage I had into my MVA L/R Buffalo sight at the Quigley this year and needed it. It does not hurt to have the extra adjustment, which did not get in my way at all. I did not drive all the way to Forsyth from North Carolina to not shoot because the wind is blowing that hard.

[jackrabbit]

A Shiloh Quigley in 45-110 with a 34" barrel and an extra long range buffalo soule will do anything you need it to do. So will a four wheel drive, four door, 2 ton truck diesel truck with a 9 speed tranny, but that's not what I take when I go to the movies or run for some groceries...

I think we have to remember that there are three distinct different BPCR sports, that is silhouette, target rifle, and gong matches. My experience is based on silhouette and I have no knowledge of what is needed at a gong match. If you are shooting 1000 yard target rifle, the buffalo model may also be of use, although many of the guys don't have them. If these guys tell you that you need an extra long range buffalo soule to shoot the Q,they are probably right as I would have no idea. What I do know is that for the silhouette, midrange target rifle, and schuetzen matches that I do, I do not want one.
Everyone must find their own path,

[DeadEye]

Cody,

Calibers at the 'Q' are mainly 40-65, 45-70, 45-90 and a handful of others. For the last few years I have been shooting my Shiloh Sporter #1 with a 30" Round barrel in 45-90. Up until this year I was using a 525 gr. BACO Money Bullet with the tapered first band over 78 gr. of Olde 'E'. This is the same load that Wes Daems won with a couple years ago when he shot a 44/48. It should be said that he had Tobi Crisler spotting for him. This year I changed it up a little and used the new to me BACO Postell at 532 gr. as cast in 20:1 with the first band reduced over the same charge. This mould was a gift certificate I won in Utah the year before at the Silhouette State Match. Thank you Dave. When the wind picked up the way it did on Saturday I knocked on the door of my friend Doug Portra (he shoots scope) and borrowed his Buffalo Soule. I can't remember what I used for windage that day but it was nice to know I had the extra. I only shot out to 600 yards on Target #2. The rest that day #3 and #4 are in the 400 yard range. Sunday the wind had settled some when I had to shoot the off-hand at 350 yd. (much bigger than a chicken) and the Buffalo at 805 yards. Scored 5 on the Bucket and 7 on the Buffalo for a two day total of 37/48 and a 5th overall, #1 White Buffalo and top International for the 3rd straight year. Only two of the targets are farther out than Silhouette at 600 yards for a 4' square Octagon and the Buffalo at 805 yards. My elevation for the Buffalo is around 140. I remember one year on a practice day I was shooting my 40-65 beside Buz (RIP) and Amanda who was shooting her 40-60 Maynard. We were trading shots and after the 12th straight hit on the Buffalo Buz suggested I was ready for the match (tic). All of this to show that you do not need a 45-110 or 45-120 or a 50-90 (Kurt) but if that's what turns your crank then go for it.

Paul

[Kurt]

LOL Paul, I pretty much retired ole Calamity and have switched to a little .45-2.4
But if I ever shoot along side of you I will drag out Calamity again
I hope all is well with you and Spot.

[Shadow 4]

Well, you know what they say about parachutes............I'd rather have one & not need it, than need it & not have one.
Same for a hand gun.

There have been plenty of times, whether at the Quigley, the Mt 1000 yrd, Big Hill, The World Championship, Medicine Rocks, at Bowman, the wind has been raising hell, we'd been better off sitting in the shade drinking Pepsi or Coke, instead of shooting, but, alas, we shot, just cranked on the sights a little more, I can drink a can of Pepsi without leaving home.

Gong matches
At Bowman years back, on the 1000 yd, when I was done there was a total of 23 Ft of left wind needed yep.
It's not unusual (kinda normal) to have 12.5-25 minutes of wind cranked in the sight when you're reaching 700-1000, 1200 yds
The wind blows

Silhouette
We shoot 2 '74's, one 38-55, 335 gr, 44 grs 3F, one 45-70, 518 RG - 537 MG, 75 grs 1 1/2 & a Hi Wall 40-65, 387 RG, 66 grs 2F.
All have MVA Long Range Buffalo Soule sights mounted, neither the staff nor the extra windage are an interference in any way.

45-70, 1023 yds, elevation is, depending on the bullet I use, 168-175 ish, 1200 yds 185 ish

Quigley Dust bowl, 2010 ish?
I noticed quite a few "Regular" windage sights that were cranked off the scale

The MVA #100 $457 & #103 $485, have, I believe, the same elevation adjustment, the #103 "Buffalo" difference is the extra wind. For less than $30 bucks, you'll have it
OR
The MVA #102, Mid range Buffalo, $457, has 225 for elev & the "Buffalo" windage, take the $28 bucks & get the knurled knob, (pretty handy when switching from irons to scope in silhouette matches)

[Shadow 4]

LOL Paul, I pretty much retired ole Calamity and have switched to a little .45-2.4
But if I ever shoot along side of you I will drag out Calamity again
I hope all is well with you and Spot.

Hey Canadian,
What Kurt doesn't know is, for his health, (no more detached retina or concussions) & our sanity, his "Calamity" has been BANNED
I got enough of that jackass at Rhame to last a lifetime

[DeadEye]

Kurt,
Spot and I are just fine, thanks for asking. I hope you and Carolyn can get far enough away from your doctors this summer so we can see you at the 'Q' and Big Hill. You shoot old Calamity all you want my friend. I learned to time my shots for when the ground stopped shaking (and that's the truth).

Brian,
You be nice to Kurt, he can shake himself up all he wants and when he sees two or three targets is when we get to beat him.
I never needed that 'parachute' until two years ago at Big Hill. That 48 mph wind you cranked up that day was real special. Thank goodness Mr. Portra is the gentleman he is and offered to loan me his Buffalo Soule. I know I was way past the 22'' offered by the standard Soule. We were shooting the 900 in the old location and Diane was having real trouble, had all her windage in and still no where near. Spot leaned over and said, "see that bush about 12' to windward, aim for that." She hit it with her last two shots. Don't you just love it?

The Canadian

[J.B.]

So that's the trick ! .. Aiming at bushes either side... in combination with that round twisty thing at the base of the post. I'll try that method next time round... because aiming at the plates only worked for me now and again Thanks for the tip Paul.
I shoot one of those 'shoulder howitzers' from time to time and it never seems to worry me half as much as the shooters either side Big Hill would be a good place to use it I'd imagine but I'll persevere with the 44. for now. Looking forward as always ( cant do much about yesterday ) to catching up at the Q and on the Hill. 48 mph winds not withstanding

J.B.

[Shadow 4]

So that's the trick ! .. Aiming at bushes either side... in combination with that round twisty thing at the base of the post. I'll try that method next time round... because aiming at the plates only worked for me now and again Thanks for the tip Paul.
I shoot one of those 'shoulder howitzers' from time to time and it never seems to worry me half as much as the shooters either side Big Hill would be a good place to use it I'd imagine but I'll persevere with the 44. for now. Looking forward as always ( cant do much about yesterday ) to catching up at the Q and on the Hill. 48 mph winds not withstanding

J.B.

J.B.

One achieves greater success when one places desired target inside the aperture consistently, not some random bush off to the side.
Buy the buffalo soule.

There's a reason I refer to Paul as my favorite "Rabid pet squirrel", first he's, well, Canadian, second, he's still Canadian. Then there's that absolute angel of a wife that has devoted her life to making sure that Paul has been able to be a productive member of society, Spot is a saint actually Their relationship is special therefore the unique spotting & shooting practices

Which .44 do you have, .44-77? I shot Kurt's .44-100 the last time he was on the hill, liked it

[J.B.]

"consistently" ... " consistent" I keep seeing these words and hearing them quoted...but I'm at a loss I have the Buffalo Soule and put it to good use a few years back at the Hill....and more than once at the Q.I still havent laid in the pegs and guy ropes to keep me in position though if that wind comes up I've been using a 44/77 the last few years Brian. It stays Sateside awaiting my return. Saves baggage handlers the challenge of trying to destroy it on its way to and fro It's about 95F outside at present and probably 75 or so inside.... I'd imagine its a little cooler in your neck of the woods

rgds... Gavin