Drovel 50-140

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bobw wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:11 am Nice but my shoulder immediadetly bruised and started bleeding when the crescent butt registered in my brain . Where kurt at he likes those abominations. It's definitely a collector piece in the history of modern Sharps style reproductions. Still what do they want for it? I can help anyone with loading for it if they end up with it. Bobw
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Nice looking rifle. You said it has a hex barrel it looks like a octagon
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Brent I think the photo angles distort some of that. Note the shadow line cheekpiece both my LRE & Saddle rifle from the 80's have that. These days I don't go for cheekpiece models but with the shadow line they look nice. Mason where is that gun?
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It’s here in Anderson Texas
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Sorry it’s octagon barrel sorry
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Historic reproduction for sure. Bigger question is what is it worth?
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What would be the approximate production date of this rifle?
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That rifle other then the action isn’t from Shiloh even the early company. The actions were case color hardened and that stock shape isn’t what was made by them or the custom shop ran by C Sharps. C Sharps by the way didn’t make any Sharps till after the break up with Shiloh. The custom rifles by C Sharps were made on Shiloh barreled actions and after Shiloh moved to Big Timber the C Sharps marking were added to the barrels by Shiloh. From what I can see in the photos that barrel would be a #2 weight and the nose cap looks more like the Italian ones. Still might be some thing to have if the price was low enough.
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So we are now thinking it has no value or no relation to the history of sharps?
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Pedigree be damned. Take it for what it is, be it a mongrel, a contrivence, ... or, whatever. I think it is a good looking rifle, and worth owning for whatever price you are comfortable paying ($1000-1200?). bobw and I have owned and still do own 50/140's. Sure they can bite, but don't have to. Besides, bloodshot eyes, and a little purple here and there is always a good conversation starter. Go for it
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I agree if you ain’t breaking shit you ain’t doing nothing. Here we go. I will post some more pics tonight once it’s in my hands. Thanks guys
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Well, James I certainly disagree with your assessment of the guns importance and the lack of value.I learned along time a go that something is worth what someone will pay for it yet the price can be under or over valued. Wolf was Drovel tool this is a example of the gun that became the Farmingdale Shiloh and eventually Shiloh Rifle manufacturing co. of Big Timber. It is unique and rare as it gets. It is a real nice addition to his collection while it may not be of great value to you that's fine it is to Mason. Bobw
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Bobw, you miss understood my post. I’m not saying it’s of no value as a shooter just as a historical piece. A Colt SAA that is has every thing replaced but the frame wouldn’t make a Colt collector excited but may shoot well. This rifle has a action that has what appears to be blued and an unknown barrel. Caliber is of no concern to me ( I shoot a 50x2 1/2” in a standard weight barrel) and stock design is up to the viewer. If I was to be offered it, it would be a project gun. First question I’d have is what twist is the rifling. Price would be dependent on that among other things. And this action would have the large original style firing pin, as is my 50.
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It is a historically relevant gun in the evolution of the Wolf Droge development of the Shiloh rifle, not a project gun to Mason as far it being revised to what someone else thinks it ought to look like. The project Mason has in mind is performance getting it up and running .Shooting hard and grouping 500-600 grain ppb's. I haven't asked him specifically yet but I'll bet Texas whitetails and hogs are in for a licking. Bobw
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A rifle is worth what ever you're willing to pay for it. I have several rifle I paid above market value but they are exactly what I wanted and I have only traded one rifle since the 60's for another because we both had what we wanted.
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Lol damn right I’m into hunting with these guns as original ways are the simplest for both me and the animal. Making my own casings to fit perfect, Casting my own ppb, with black powder hitting a kill shot at 400+ yards is something every man should at least experience once. It means more than grabbing an AR and a box of Ammo from academy looking through a scope and killing. After I got it home and looking over it the furniture looks to match very well and the silver on the front and the stock is very well done. The barrel and the chamber patina both match although the barrel is not stamped I can assure you by the machine markings it’s not a new barrel and placement of set screws are very similar to my wolf 40-70. I casted the chamber last night and will get the dimensions.
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