SPG or DGL ?

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Re: SPG or DGL ?

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As far as paper patching goes, more than one way to skin that cat.

But here is one little known fact, obviously it’s escaped everyone’s attention. At the 2019 BPCR Silhouette Nationals, over the course of 4 days, only one, that’s right only one Master Class score was shot.

It was by Brent Danielson, using PP and his bore Gophers.


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Crickets.......... :lol:

Ok, fine, you guys are right. Paper patching kicks ass and I am just jealous!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Brent also shot a 36, 37 & 43, so assume paper-patch also gets credit for those scores as well. Brent ended up 1st Mstr for the match, which was fine shooting. However, pretty much everyone else, both above and below Brent in the scores, was shooting greasers. Think it has more to do with your abilities, your practice time and how well you have developed yours loads than it does with whether you shoot PP or greasers. Pick your poison and make it work for your. And that's greasers with SPG for me. Now if I can just overcome my natural lack of abilities............
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I have never tried DGL. I know people like it. Spg has worked very well for me in the greaser department. I have some lube from John Olsen I am going to try in my trapdoor and some of my civil war firearms here after some time whenever I can get around to it which has to be soon since I only have one stick of spg left.
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And here I was trying to be nice, :lol:


The skill of shooter is what it’s all about. :wink:

Or if you choose to handicap yourself with a cranky cartridge. :|

Oh as for lube both mentioned work great, if you wipe you will never see any Difference :o

I am still using Dan T white lightning lube, I had stocked up on it, thanks to Jimbo. Not that it’s done much for my scores in silhouette. It’s done well in the target rifle matches for me.

For me rifle management, proves difficult in BPCR silhouette for some odd reason. Probably should not of sold the 38-50. My Mid-range scores this year show good results at 500 and 600 with the new rifle, still working on 300, again I think it’s more management than anything else. Mid-range is much different than Silhouette, you have 24 minutes for 4 sighters and 10 record shots vrs 12 minutes in Silhouette. That’s a big difference, they are in no way the same.

Learning to manage the BACO bore wipes and what to use, and wet or dry patch behind the wiper has taken some getting used to. I can say this much they work well, and I haven’t had any leading issues in my 40 caliber 14 twist Shiloh.

Don mentioned another lube, I did a torture test on bullet lube some years ago, almost every lube failed at some point, fouling out. At 23% humidity I started to see problems this was of course blowing. Dan T’s lube won out the next best was the Bullshop Lube Don Mentioned. I have some SPG tropical, but until I get my 40-70 shooting at the bench as well as my 38-50 did. I won’t be doing any testing of lubes, as I don’t feel it would be an accurate test of the lubes abilities.

These days with the amount of medication I am on, for my leg, I am not sure I will ever be much of a silhouette shooter ever again, not that I ever was. Also I cannot afford the $11,000 a year for the lung infusions I was taking, only so much air, I need the extra time of target rifle.

Still I love to shoot and experiment, and share.

And rolling patches is more fun than getting all that lube on my hands, and cases, neck tension caming in long seated bullets all the fun things. :lol:

Have a good day, I have to go load ammo for a midrange match at Cheyenne and the State Silhouette match at Smithmoor. Mainly to spot at Smithmoor, not as a contender. :wink:

Oh and John Bly, thanks for the 40-70 Swiss load information, it seems to have calmed my cranky 40-70 down. Rick Moritz tried to tell me to use Swiss last year. 67.5 grs behind the 450 gr BACO Money seems to shoot quite well in midrange, at least it did at Worland state midrange.

Cody told me I just needed a better spotter, :lol:

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Hey Kenny. first, hope you feel better.....

for the 40 70 SS, I'm using Swiss 1 1/2 now , what compression do you use? and what wad?
thanks Ken
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Kenny S.

Jamison Brass, Fed 210 match LR primer
67.5 grs by weight of Swiss 1.5, compressed. .380 use a .060 poly was a 450 BACO Money Bulley 15-1 alloy.

Swiss likes little compression or a whole bunch proved it in my 38-50. Seems to work well with the 40-70.

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I tried SPG and DGL both work the same as far as I could see. I personally like my lube very soft so it gets used up in the barrel rather than laying on the ground looking unused except for seeing land cuts on it's edge.
I use the same wax for a carrier that DT used making his lube. He said if it's good for woman's lipstick it's good for my rifle bore. :D

By the way, .375" is what I use for compression with Swiss in my .40-65. Swiss has several levels of compression it handles well.
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wow Kurt, .375 is 3/8 inch. seems like a lot of compression....
I'll try it...Ken
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Ken do a ladder load increasing it by one grain and you will see several groups that shrink down before the case gets bulged. My rifle has a very tight PP only chamber and the fired case only holds 64 grains of the new 1.5 Swiss. So I fill the case screed it off and compress it a little without a wad then seat a thin milk carton wad and compress :) shoots very good :)
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Ken.
Here is what little missy .40-65 will do with 64 grains of swiss with heavy compression as well using OE powder. :D
The rifle is a very tight chambered CPA chambers with my reamer and a Douglas premium barrel and was mounted with a scope and off the bench at 200 yards.
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Since the subject seems to have shifted to compression and these targets are hot off the berm this afternoon, I will throw them out there. No attempt was made to correct for windage, but there were only very mild, shifting cross breezes. Shot from the bench at 200m with a Lyman 25x STS scope on board. Target rings are 3/4" wide for scale.

82 gr Swiss 1.5 with zero compression
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85 gr Swiss 1.5 with about 0.15" compression.
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It looks like you got your accuracy problem fixed :)

I will put the lube back in the subject :) I used a 1/8" lube wad of my concoction with my loads :)
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