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Re: More Paper Patch

Post by Kenny Wasserburger » Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:08 pm

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Re: More Paper Patch

Post by SSShooter » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:54 am

MikeT wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:02 pm
SSShooter,
Buffalo Arms has brass templates for various calibers. A 45 degree angle on the patch is too pointy.
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Ordered a 'kit' (12" & 6" rulers, 30/60/90 & 45/45/90 triangles, protractor & French curve) in stainless. Unfortunately, likely made in China but only $19.

Another question......... does anyone crimp their bullets in place with PP?

Again, great input from everyone and thank you. More info the better as I know at least two others who are reading this thread as we start our journey into the wild unknowns of PP'ing. For me, another benefit of all this is no longer having to mess with lubing.
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Re: More Paper Patch

Post by BFD » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:47 am

Glenn for much less than $19 you can buy a strip of brass at a hobby or hardware store and make a template of your own. If you have a hacksaw and a file, it will only take you about 10 minutes. You do not need protectors or any of the other stuff.

I find it easier to cut strips first and then use tje template to cut the angled ends. I stack the strips 10-20 high, not one at a time.

It IS possible to overthink this...

I often crimp, but only barely enough to hold the bullet in the case when inverted. I use either a taper crimp die or a full-length sizing die with tje stem removed.

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Re: More Paper Patch

Post by opencountry » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:17 am

Regarding crimping the patched bullet into the case neck I opted to purchase from S.D. Meacham T&H Inc. of Peck, Idaho (208) 486-7171 a die (which screws into any reloading press) with bushings to ‘size’ just the last 1/8” or so of the fireformed case mouth with. For my .45 caliber Norma brass I buy through BACO I use a .471” bushing for both my 45-90 and 45-110. Initially I full-length size my brass, and this alone ‘holds’ the patched bullet well enough to fireform my brass. Once the brass is fireformed all I do is fill the case with the desired amount of powder, compress it with a .030” vegi wad, add wad(s), size the neck with the die/bushing, and finger-seat the patched bullet. I never full-length size my brass again; I size only the portion of the case that holds the patched bullet, and that’s just @1/8”. Hope this helps. Like the fellas said above, keep it simple; you need only to buy a brass or ss patching template from BACO, and file it to the exact length needed.
And, I always lightly anneal just about a half inch or less of the case necks after each firing.
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Re: More Paper Patch

Post by ian45662 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:07 am

Glen you might want to try and get ahold of a set of pin gauges and measure the bore with them. Any machinist should be able to turn a couple for you. Be nice if you could get some made in increments of .0005 or something.

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Re: More Paper Patch

Post by SSShooter » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:40 am

I occasionally work with a couple of local machine shops. Know they both have pin-gauge sets. The one set I've used has a few hundred pins so am guessing it will have what is needed.

Also, I use a CH4D neck sizing bushing die, so can insure I have the correct bush size (0.401", or so) for my 38cal brass to put a light crimp on the loaded ammo.
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Re: More Paper Patch

Post by kenny s » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:50 am

get the brass template from AB, cheap..
glue a small handle in the center... easier to hold when cutting instead of pushing the brass template. mine is only 1/2 inch high. check the screw bins at the hardware store, you'll find something.
on the bottom of the template, glue a piece of heavy paper. cut to exact size of the template.

when you cut the patch, it's easier to hold the small handle, the paper holds better on the patch...so no 'slipping' while you cut.

AND why doesn't BA sell Pre Cut 40 cal patches????

luck...Ken

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Re: More Paper Patch

Post by Kurt » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:38 am

I make my own templates out of man food containers ( donuts :D ) like the one marked BA 45. and I cut 16 sheets at a time.
Doing it this way I cam cut 600 patches in less than a hour. Faster if you make scanned copy so you only draw it out once.
Very little waste of paper.
If I would only cut one patch at a time I think I would use greasers :?
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Re: More Paper Patch

Post by ian45662 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:57 am

I am very fascinated by your patch cutting rig Kurt. I would like to know more. What kind of paper cutter is that?

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Re: More Paper Patch

Post by Kurt » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:11 pm

ian45662 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:57 am
I am very fascinated by your patch cutting rig Kurt. I would like to know more. What kind of paper cutter is that?
https://www.ebay.com/b/CARL-Paper-Cutte ... n_99633087
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Re: More Paper Patch

Post by opencountry » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:12 pm

That’s brilliant! See what I mean?...these guys are somethin’

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Re: More Paper Patch

Post by powderburner » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:15 pm

And if you lay out your pattern on the board , you can cut angles with it as well i used tape after marking it. 6-7 layers along the bottom sets the length for however many you want to stack up.
Lay out tour angle, set the strip on your line and cut. Then slide down to your tape , square up and cut. Makes it way faster.
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Re: More Paper Patch

Post by powderburner » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:16 pm

And if you lay out your pattern on the board , you can cut angles with it as well i used tape after marking it. 6-7 layers along the bottom sets the length for however many you want to stack up.
Lay out tour angle, set the strip on your line and cut. Then slide down to your tape , square up and cut. Makes it way faster.
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Re: More Paper Patch

Post by ian45662 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:36 pm

Kurt I sent you a PM.

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