Old eynsford shooters

[desert deuce]

Sure ian, may be helpful to know which lots to choose and which lots to avoid?

[VectorMan]

Sure ian, may be helpful to know which lots to choose and which lots to avoid?

I know that my previous case of Swiss wasn’t that great in my 45-70. When that case ran out I had a case of Swiss with a different lot number. It shot a lot better in my 45-70. With all the discussion on different forums about the inconsistency of Swiss powder lately, it would be nice to compile a list of lot numbers and there results of testing. I know that some shooters have tested and researched several different lot numbers. I think BFD has did some investigation on this to some extent. May he will chime in.

My poor lot number of Swiss was 071.013
The better lot number is 10-10-2016

The same could be done with OE. I’m thinking the same as Ian and getting a case of OE.

[BFD]

Sure ian, may be helpful to know which lots to choose and which lots to avoid?

I know that my previous case of Swiss wasn’t that great in my 45-70. When that case ran out I had a case of Swiss with a different lot number. It shot a lot better in my 45-70. With all the discussion on different forums about the inconsistency of Swiss powder lately, it would be nice to compile a list of lot numbers and there results of testing. I know that some shooters have tested and researched several different lot numbers. I think BFD has did some investigation on this to some extent. May he will chime in.

I keep track of known good and bad lots of Swiss. But I can only catalog what people tell me. Personally, I think the best Swiss powders date to 2012 or earlier with one known bad batch in 2003. After 2012, there are more bad lots than good lots. How to find a good one? Good question. Spend money. Lots of it. Whether all Swiss quality has fallen to the level of OE, I don't know, but some batches certainly have.

[desert deuce]

Swiss 1.5, 010.213 good lot.

[beltfed]

Re. Swiss 1.5. Best lot was my first. 160.404.
very dense. Dan T also thought it was the best ever.
beltfed/arnie

[desert deuce]

I remember when GOEX was made in Pennsylvania, Moosic I seem to recall. Back then I was using GOEX CTG exclusively for long range, midrange and silhouette. Got a case of cartridge I couldn't get to shoot accurately. Ended up after a while on the phone with someone, don't remember his name, in Moosic to discuss the matter. He asked for the lot number and then my address. Not long after I received a case of GOEX 2FG at my door. Beautiful bright shiny black, metered great through the B&M and shot great. I have often wondered if the folks that actually make the powder don't have a pretty good idea by the time the product is packaged for sale which lots will perform well and which lots not so much. But I don't know.

After a few lots of GOEX Louisianna and some fireworks at the plant I switched to Swiss. That was Swiss in the metal cans and all were satisfactory. Once Swiss switched to the plastic containers with the red and blue label I did get a marginal case lot of 1.5 and the rest have been OK. Two pounds into a case of 010.213 I ordered another case of it. Swiss is now around $28.00 a pound and will probably go up more soon so there will come a break over point when one day shooters will decide it is not worth the cost. Up about $135.00 a case is a pretty good jump.

So taking a hard look at OE makes sense. Doing it as a group makes even more sense.

[Woody]

My first case of Swiss delivered at Raton was $225.00. A lot of charcoal has been burned since then. The next case will cost around $650.00 and I'll drive to pick it up. Ouch!!!

Woody

[gunlaker]

My first case of Swiss delivered at Raton was $225.00. A lot of charcoal has been burned since then. The next case will cost around $650.00 and I'll drive to pick it up. Ouch!!!

Woody

I'd be super happy to pay $650 a case! It's a fair bit more expensive up here. Right now it's about $1000 Cdn out here on the coast, which works out to about $760 USD.

Chris.

[ian45662]

I tried it again. The pictures are posted on that 200 yard match thread. I shot the Swiss loads first when the conditions were best. I didn’t get to the OE loads until we had some winds moving. Had I shot the OE first I think it would have won. The horizontal stringing was very nice imo. I am satisfied with it and will be getting a case or 2 hopefully this week

[desert deuce]

Ian, too bad you did not shoot the OE load first.
Could you please share the load information with us so we can share in your happiness?

[Kurt]

Zack

I been using this OE since it came out and did a bunch of ladder loads testing it with all my calibers I shoot and for every new lot I got.
I mostly use 2F and 3F and seldom use the 1.5F but I havE shot some very tight three shot test loads using the OE in all of my rifles with every new lot and it never took much to get them to shoot well lot to lot.
Here are a few targets and all are 200 yard shot with the .44-100 Rem 17 ROT, .40-65 14 ROT, .44090 BN 19 ROT
I don't want to post to many of these, but all of my calibers have the same results at the end of the ladder load tests.


The .44-90 BN 19 Rot

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The .44-100 Rem St. 17 ROT

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The .44-100 Rem St. 17 ROT

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[Kurt]

Here is a ladder load test using the .40-65 with the load details on it.
From my results using the OE and Swiss I cant see much difference between the two.
.40-65 14 Rot

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[ian45662]

Ian, too bad you did not shoot the OE load first.
Could you please share the load information with us so we can share in your happiness?

The lot I shot yesterday was E1-04/14mY06B

[Dennis Armistead]

I'm not sure why this is, but my match loads for my 45 2.6 shoots very good using 89 gr. Swiss 1 1/2. Old Eynsford shot a little wider with higher SD's. When I tried the same powder in my Tolofson gun 45 2 7/8 at 105 gr. Old Eynsford beat Swiss in both SD and flyers. Any ideas? Old Eynsford shot around 20 fps slower.
Dennis

[Castaway]

Dennis, same bullet?