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Barrel twist 40-65 for silhouette

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:03 pm
by schmidtzen
I've been considering a #1 sporter rebarrel from 45-70 to 40-65. I have a choice of a 1 in 14 twist or the standard 16. Either one would be a Shiloh barrel. Is one easier to find bullets that they like?

Re: Barrel twist 40-65 for silhouette

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:20 pm
by John Bly
I've been shooting a #1 in 40/65 with a 16" twist for quite a few years now. It is perfectly adequate with bullets up to the 416 grain Brooks Creedmoor that I mainly shoot. I've shot master scores with it in silhouette, not as many as I would like but it is the chickens' fault. I shot a 294 with it in mid-range which would win most matches but got beat with a 295. It should be easy to find bullets that perform well in a 16" twist barrel.

I got a 40/70 SS last year with a 14" twist but have not been able to wring it out yet. I have a 425 grain and a 442 grain bullet that I hope to get shooting in it. A 14" twist will handle heavier bullets better but still give good accuracy with bullets in the 400 grain range.

Re: Barrel twist 40-65 for silhouette

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:37 pm
by Coltsmoke
16 is all you need.

Re: Barrel twist 40-65 for silhouette

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:42 pm
by SSShooter
The 14.5" twist of my 32" 40-65 barrel shoots a 440gr BACo Money bullet just fine when pushed by 65gr of Swiss. Even knocked over 15 rams in a row once upon a time. The faster twist will shoot anything that the slower twist will shoot. The converse is not necessarily true.

Re: Barrel twist 40-65 for silhouette

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:48 pm
by TexasMac
I second Glenn's comments. BTW, the .40-65 #1 Sporter with 30" barrel I received last year has a 14.5 twist although I ordered a 14 twist. It shoots great.

Wayne

Re: Barrel twist 40-65 for silhouette

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:53 am
by BFD
go with a 14" twist and you will never regret it.

Re: Barrel twist 40-65 for silhouette

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:14 am
by beltfed
Though I have had very good results with my 16 twist 40-65,
I would definitely go with a 14.5" twist if I build another one.
beltfed/arnie

Re: Barrel twist 40-65 for silhouette

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:42 am
by 40-65rl
So if I was shooting 410 gran bullets would it be okay to have a 1-16? Should I have a 1-14 if I go to heavier bullet, say 430?
thanks
Dick

Re: Barrel twist 40-65 for silhouette

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:36 am
by TAA
It also helps to consider the length of the bullet as a function of barrel twist rate.

My rifle is chambered in 40 cal 2 1/2 (Sharps straight). I have a Paul Jones Money bullet that is 1.494” long. My Badger barrel is a 16 twist. The muzzle velocity of the 416-grain bullet is about 1,323 fps. I’ve had some good advice on the bullet length subject suggesting that 1.494” is too long for 16 twist unless I push the mv to 1,400 fps and use a 14.5 twist.

If a person wants to play with longer bullets, there is nothing to lose by going with a 14 twist. Today’s favorite bullet might not be tomorrow’s favorite bullet and if tomorrow’s bullet is on the long side, having a faster twist available makes sense.

Tom

Re: Barrel twist 40-65 for silhouette

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:41 am
by martinibelgian
To put it simply, too fast a spin is by far the lesser evil. If you use too long a bullet in too slow a twist, the bullet will become unstable, losing accuracy and might even tumble. Using too fast a twist - within reason - will just increase your flexibility as to bullets used, with little or no accuracy loss. In other words, it keeps more options open.

Re: Barrel twist 40-65 for silhouette

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:31 pm
by SchuetzenDave
You need a barrel that will have a gyroscopic spin factor (Sg) of 1.4 to 2.0.
Long range shooters will overspin their bullet (Sg> 2.0) to compensate for drag over 1,000 yards.

For a 16:1 twist barrel the Sg for the .40 caliber BACO bullets are:
400 grain Money 1.94
415 grain Postell 2.14
420 grain Money tapered first band 1.85
420 grain Spitzer 2.17
430 grain Credmoor 2.15
430 grain Creedmoor tapered 1st band 2.15
430 grain NASA 2.20
444 grain NASA 2.10
460 grain Money tapered 1st band 1.76
460 grain Creedmoor 1.83

So there is not much need to spin the bullet even more with a tighter 14:1 twist.

Re: Barrel twist 40-65 for silhouette

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:29 pm
by 40-65rl
I am shooting a 40-65W, Mike Lewis creedmoor bullet, 1.372 length, 430 grains in a 1-16, 28 inch barrel at about 1275 fps. 60 grains of fffg Swiss with little compression. Have not seen any tumble at 600 yards on paper targets and none at 500 on metal rams. and will not be shooting it pass 600. What do you guys think? OK?

Re: Barrel twist 40-65 for silhouette

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:00 pm
by SchuetzenDave
Caliber 0.409 Inches
Bullet Weight 430 Grains
Bullet Length 1.372 Inches
Barrel Twist 16 Inches/turn
muzzle velocity 1275 fps
Temperature 50 degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard)
Pressure 29.92 inches of mercury (29.92 is standard)

Sg = 2.27

You are slightly overspinning the bullet.
It will stabilize and shoot well, even past 1,000 yards.
The Creedmoor nose will also have good dynamic stability at long range as well.

Re: Barrel twist 40-65 for silhouette

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:04 pm
by Shadow 4
Information is on the lid.
seems like it works pretty well on silhouettes when asked :wink:
it's a 16 twist hi wall
Case heads are hits :lol:
Shot all same afternoon, from a chair :wink:

This is a BACO 420gr mold, might have gotten it when they were mislabeled, because information wasn't matching up, as some clarification on the phone as to what I was actually going to get. Either the description was right & the picture w/part# on pic was wrong, or the other way round. Check back when Texasmac brought it up on this forum. It was before that as you can see in the upper right corner, they were cast in 2018, would have been January-March sometime. I bought it well before that date, might have been in 2017, before I got around to using it in 2018, maybe :roll:

Image40 65 9 17 18 PAT TAYLOR METHOD by Brian Hickey, on Flickr

target is NRA official 1000 yd 6'x6' steel, with a 8, 10 & X ring 3D
Image2018 world champ (1) by Brian Hickey, on Flickr

Re: Barrel twist 40-65 for silhouette

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:01 pm
by 40-65rl
Thanks Dave.
Knew that bullet really kills rams.
Think I’ll send it out a a creedmoor match and see what happens.