40-65 Paper Patch Loads

[Kurt]

Glenn,
Those are my Wife's place matts, just don't tell her

[bruce m]

Bruce,

I found cutting #2 Lyman 50/50 is a good place to be. As well as WW cut 50/50 if you like to use them.

The problem now days around here is getting quality lead. When I was still working in the plumbing trades I could pick up a 25# chain link ingot and drop it on the concrete floor and listen for a ring telling me if it was whipping solder or pure packing lead.
Now when I get a pig of 99% pure lead from a supplier and drop it, it sounds like a alloy mix.
And I see a change in the bullets with a new supply of lead, like lot changes in black powder.

kurt,
thank you for that.
what would you think about 3/4 lyman no2 to 1/4 lead?
that was going to be my next experiment.
i find your statement interesting about the lead you can buy.
for some time i have been going on about nose bumpup of such bullets as the paul jones so called creedmoor bullet.
i have come to suspect that our lead down under is softer than yours, and what you say makes that suspicion stronger.
bruce.

[Kurt]

Never tried 3/4-1/4 so I cans say.
Bruce I don't have a tester other than a Lee or the Saeco and I don't rely on them for anything precise I just use them for comparison from a know mix to a new one. If the new batch tests 7.8 on the Lee I know it's the same as the last. I hope .
7.8 to 8.2 I don't see any difference with the holes through the paper between the two.
I think we over think a lot of this alloy mix. If they come out of the muzzle straight with out the bases looking like a mouse has been sharpening it's teeth on them and the nose is setback straight the same after every shot fired I don't think it makes any difference when the bullet has the "money" type ogive gets setback and looks like a PJ Creedmoor nosed as long as they all react the same the little idiot knob on top of the sight staff will correct the elevation needed when you take the sighter shots.

[Kurt]

Here is an example of a alloy mix on the threshold of maximum hardness. Those bullets were shot out of my tight chambered .40-65 with a 4º/2º compound tapered chamber. Those bullets are from a Brooks PP mould and were patched tight to bore and show no signs of stripping.
They just got enough obturation at the base to get full rotation and they were only shortened 2.5 thousands.

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[Kenny Wasserburger]

Interesting picture, and I assume this wasn’t a dual diameter bullet. But what alloy?


Kenny Wasserburger

[Perentie]

Kurt, you post really interesting info.
What does the confetti look like from that last photo?

[SSShooter]

Since we are all asking Kurt, let me join in.............
How do you recover bullets in such good condition. Do you fire them into a stock tank or a pool?
Thanks.

[Kurt]

Kenny those are regular PP bullets not the DDEPP.
Below is a DD I converted from a straight shank BA mould that I had build for shooting without fouling control. The base now patches to groove diameter and it will still shoot with a fouled throat. Shoots very well.

The alloy is something I been working on for a couple years that reduces the bullet weight quite a lot of grains lighter without changing the profile or length, just the weight. I have it now were it will drop a bullet 30 gr + less than a 1/16 L/T bullet out of the same mould.
I will pass that on when I get everything looking good to my satisfaction on the recovered bullets.

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[Kurt]

Since we are all asking Kurt, let me join in.............
How do you recover bullets in such good condition. Do you fire them into a stock tank or a pool?
Thanks.

Snow banks Glenn.

[Kurt]

Kurt, you post really interesting info.
What does the confetti look like from that last photo?

Depends on the paper.
This is pretty typical.

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[SSShooter]

Since we are all asking Kurt, let me join in.............
How do you recover bullets in such good condition. Do you fire them into a stock tank or a pool?
Thanks.

Snow banks Glenn.

Thanks. If I'm lucky, the only snow bank I'll see for the rest of my life will be on TV.

[BFD]

Since we are all asking Kurt, let me join in.............
How do you recover bullets in such good condition. Do you fire them into a stock tank or a pool?
Thanks.

Snow banks Glenn.

Thanks. If I'm lucky, the only snow bank I'll see for the rest of my life will be on TV.

That would be a megabummer. I was looking at land in NW Wisconsin today. North is the way to go.

[SSShooter]

Brent - I'll be happy to look at your pictures.

[Distant Thunder]

Northeast Wisconsin ain't too bad either. We are waiting snow yet this year but that's OK I'm quite certain I'll shovel enough of it before spring get here. It's always good to have a layer of snow when the real cold weather comes 'cause it helps keep things from freezing, like water pipes and sewer lines.

[BFD]

I kinda like all parts of Wisconsin except maybe SE. But I don't really know a lot about that area either. NW is close to places I know well - Duluth, North Shore, Arrowhead country, etc. Anyway, we will see. Some interesting properties up there.

We got 6" of pearly white last night It was great. Being a La Nina year, we should hold snow well for the first time in a long time. And we need the precip bad.