Looky here what got kilt in Iowa

Rooster57 · Post by **Rooster57** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:36 am

Only about an hour west of me. There were several reports of these around Davenport last year, although the "officials" deny it.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/articl ... 5023/1001/[/url]

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:51 am

It is not the first. It is a South Dakota male, as they all are (unless they are ex-pets).

Brent

ironramrod · Post by **ironramrod** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:19 am

The police killed a 100 lb. male across the street from the Home Depot parking lot in Bismarck about 10 days ago. Also, there have been several reports of lions in a big coulee about 1/2 mi. from my house.

Regards

Rooster57 · Post by **Rooster57** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:30 am

Brent wrote:It is not the first. It is a South Dakota male, as they all are (unless they are ex-pets).

Brent

If you read the article the first line says it's a female.......

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:35 am

Rooster57 wrote:
Brent wrote:It is not the first. It is a South Dakota male, as they all are (unless they are ex-pets).

Brent
If you read the article the first line says it's a female.......

Yup, it does. But it was a male after closer inspection.

see http://www.kcci.com/news/21974337/detail.html

bobw · Post by **bobw** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:27 pm

I called around, ain't nobody in South Dakota missing any lion even a bisexual one that got kilt in Ioway. But just from the looks of it I'd say it come from the Jimtown, North Dakota area.

sure its got that cheesy looking grin on its face,sure enuf from ND. bobw

Rooster57 · Post by **Rooster57** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:45 pm

Brent wrote:
Rooster57 wrote:
Brent wrote:It is not the first. It is a South Dakota male, as they all are (unless they are ex-pets).

Brent
If you read the article the first line says it's a female.......
Yup, it does. But it was a male after closer inspection.

see http://www.kcci.com/news/21974337/detail.html

Well, how close of an inspection does it take to see a pair of balls on a cat?

Kurt · Post by **Kurt** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:59 pm

That's probably the same cat seen just north of Thompson IL. that the DNR denies.

Kurt

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:00 pm

Apparently, it was a young cat that was not fully developed (descended) or some such. Anyway, it was a male as they all are.

It will be from the Black Hills. By coincidence we had Jon Jenks on campus last Friday talking about his radio collared cats in the BH. He has tracked animals to Oklahoma (over 1000 kilos). They keep coming.

bobw · Post by **bobw** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:30 pm

I am sure you will disagree, but I wouldn't put a lot of stock in SD lion experts opinion. They told us last year that they had 20 to 25 % of their full grown lions radio collared. That they expected 20 to 25% of the harvested lions would be radio collared, they got one radio collared lion harvested and the quota taken before the end of the season. Which means to most of us deer hunters here in SD that we got way more lions than we need. Hope you Ioway guys like them and hope they keep migrating

bobw

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:42 pm

I got a lot more faith in Jon Jenks than I do in internet experts.

Bad Bill · Post by **Bad Bill** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:16 am

My heart goes out to the poor mountain lion; sure looked like a young one to me - not that much bigger than my neighbor's cat, in fact. Yes, it is a big cat.

I guess this is a case of, "If it is an animal, kill it". I understand this fully. As a kid, if it was a bird, I shot it. Sitting, running, flying. Started out with sparrows with a BB gun and advanced all the way to trying to nail a crane flying at thousands of feet.

Anyways, some were obviously wrong - like the farmer who thought it spooked his horses, "for years". The humor about the sex could have led to jokes about folks in Iowa not being concerned about such matters in winter (which sex

), but we will let that lay, like the dead critter.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:27 am

Bill at 125 lbs, that is a pretty decent sized lion actually.

As for jokes, they could be about environmental estrogens, but then, that is no laughing matter, not around here or anywhere downstream.

bobw · Post by **bobw** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:16 pm

Brent wrote:I got a lot more faith in Jon Jenks than I do in internet experts.

Glad you have faith in something Brent. I have faith in a few things myself, one of those things is myself as a resident of South Dakota. Now for 49 years ,I have fished every one of them, hunted upland and waterfowl since 1967, 42 years and hunted big game here since 1972, every year, 37 years straight. I am sure that doesn't mean anything to you and it sure doesn't have to. I am in touch and current with all fish and game issues in SD. I know my state and the people in it, I also know how an awful lot of us feel about sharing our big game with mtn lions. We had them stuffed down our throats just like all the folks in Wyo., Idaho, and Montana had the wolves shoved up their asses. Our commissioners don't allways listen to the GFP either, that is why there are 40 mtn lion tags this winter instead of the 25 the GFP wanted. Sometime soon there will be a proposal to relist the lion from big game to varmint status(shoot anywhere -anytime) no tags no limits because a lot of South Dakotans see them as varmints period. Jon Jenks is undoubtably qualified to study lions and that is why they hired him, but it doesn't mean he understands the other side of the issue of having them either . I will make the effort to meet him personally as I know many of the GFP personnel and I will find out exactly what he thinks. You might look in the mirror before trying to label someone as a" internet expert". It is also possible and more rewarding to discuss anything in a civil manner without resorting to a lack of it. bobw aka bob watts, Rapid City SD

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:38 pm

Oh Bob, I am sure I'm guilty as charged. But when you want to talk about science, then I actually do know where to turn for answers. Jenks is not to be found in GFP anyway. He is at SDSU. I do not claim to know him well, but I have enjoyed intelligent discussion with him, and I know a little about his work. It holds water.

As for whether he "understands the other side" of the issue is probably more dependent on who he agrees with right? I frankly don't know if he even has a "side" as you call it. Probably not.

Everyone wants to claim to be a expert based on their years of wandering the hills and "common sense". Having done a lot of that wandering in a pretty intense fashion in wolf country, in cat country, in all kinds of country over many years, I'll stick with the biologists when it comes to biology rather than my or anyone else's armchairing. We have a lot of folks like you here in Iowa that are simultaneously claiming that we have a breeding population of the cats and have for 3 decades, and that the IDNR has been introducing them in secret. Whatever...

When it comes to social issues, it is just who screams the loudest, and I ain't interested. Were I you, I'd be happy and proud to live in a state that has an abundance of cats. I might even hunt one if there was a decent population like you have in the Black Hills (and pretty much only the BH).

Meanwhile, I continue to pay big money (by my estimation) on out of state tags to hunt game in places that have wolves, lions, and bears. In fact, I find I pay more and work harder to hunt in those places that the LARGEST populations of big predators. Near as I can tell from my luck in drawing the tags, a hell of a lot of other folks feel the same way.

And you say now, "It is also possible and more rewarding to discuss anything in a civil manner without resorting to a lack of it. " And yet you started with. "I am sure you will disagree,... " Well, I'm sure you will disagree with my opinion, but so be it. If you want to talk about the biology of big cats, I'll be there. If you want to talk about the politics - not.

Brent aka Brent Danielson - Story City IA (and also Harding County SD