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Elmer Keith would disagree...

Post by Dakota Dick » Sun Nov 07, 2010 6:52 pm

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Elmer Keith would disagree, but using his own words “hell, I was thereâ€
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Post by Dakota Dick » Sun Nov 07, 2010 6:56 pm

I forgot to note that the coat on my bison was an unusually light blonde color so even though I already have a nice traditional dark hide tanned, I decided to have this one tanned also...should be a real beauty drapped across my lovely brides recliner and offer her a toasty wrap for the cold SD winters.

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Post by Bill Quantrill » Sun Nov 07, 2010 7:57 pm

Dakota Dick, That sounds like so much fun, it should be illegal in some way. What a great hunt. I want a 50-90 so bad, my head hurts.

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Post by Kurt » Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:12 pm

Thank you Dick for posting in words I don't know how to do.

Dick is one heck of a fine organizer putting this hunt together.

Thank you Dick for inviting me.

Kurt

By the way dont mix the PP and greasers in one pocket :oops: :roll:
Or patch a follow up bullet .002 smaller :lol:
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Post by mdeland » Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:17 pm

I remember Elmer insisting that it was the sharp shoulders on his 429 bullet that did the damage by cutting, in his words, a full caliber hole but he was wrong about that as has been proven by high-speed photography in gelatin.
The meplat does the hole making and the sharp shoulder contributes almost nothing.
That is a rarity as he was right about most things he put forth.
Still LBT designs are superior in penetration and tissue distruction but even Veril Smith will tell you the Kieth design is still a good one and is 95 percent as effective as his wide meplat designs.
I still use his bullets in .357, .44 and .45 for all my needs. MD

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Post by Seth Hawkins » Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:19 pm

Man, that sounds like one helluva good time! Thank you so much for sharing your hunt with us. I might just have to give this some serious consideration...
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Post by Bamadep » Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:00 am

Dick, OK now I really know I missed a good hunt. Thanks for sharing your trip in your post.
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Post by ole pizen slinger » Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:54 am

Dick,
Thanks for a great write up of your hunt. I enjoyed it thoroughly. As for your 50-90, I too have one with a twist of 1-26. Steve Brooks makes a mould that throws a flat nose GG bullet at 625 grains. The flat measures 0.310. I have three moulds for the big 50 and bullets from this one shoot the best of the three. Again, thanks for the write up and the recommendation. I'm considering a hunt--probably next year. Glad you all had a good time.
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Post by Gussy » Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:02 pm

Dick,
Sounds like that was more fun than you guys should be having :P :P :D :D :D I was at the link checking it out. Looks like some outstanding eating. Any truth to the bull vs heifer eating qualities??
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Post by mdeland » Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:12 pm

I'd sure like to draw a Bison tag here in AK for the Delta herd which are free roaming but one still very often will have to get permission to cross private land to get to where they are herded up.
Most are shot with scoped rifles though up here.
That would sure be a kick in the pants to do it like you guys have using traditional rifles and loads.
I have a friend that killed one with a Borchardt on a ranch in Kodiak much like you fellas have done here.
I also have another one who killed one out of the Delta herd with a .338 mag .
I was very surprised to learn that American Bison were indigenous to Alaska and were killed off during the various gold rushes.
The Delta herd are replants from Canada I believe and are doing very well. MD

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Post by The Horseman » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:42 pm

I have to agree with Kurt. Dakota Dick did a fine job putting the hunt together. I was honored to be invited and they even let my son Gus join us. A thirteen year old changes the dynamics of a group.

As Bill Quantrill commented, so much fun should be illegal. I am glad it was not as we did have a great time. Gus & I chased the pheasants around when we were not shooting at the bison. I had never attempted to shoot at flying birds in 40 mph winds before. I needed to figure out the bird’s path and then use Kentucky windage to bring the bird down. The birds would fly straight away and quartering into the wind. This would give the illusion of a straight away shot, yet, they would be drifting downwind. A foot to the right of the bird was needed to bring the bird down.

My 45-110 did the job again on the bison. Shot placement is key and so is patience waiting for the right time to touch the front trigger. This was my second trip to Oren’s Ranch for bison. My wife likes a freezer full of bison.

Check Kurt’s post, "The .44/90 BN rough rider drew blood" for a picture of the group. I met Dick this summer and the rest of the group when I showed up at the ranch. Gus & I had a great time listening to the stories, discussions of Sharp’s rifles, skydiving, piloting airplanes and reloading.

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Post by Dakota Dick » Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:21 pm

Gussy

I have not had any meat from a heifer, but I cannot see how you could beat the meat (sorry, no pun intended!) of a young bull. They say the heifer meat is a bit sweeter because they carry a bit more fat. I can tell you that what ever size you make the burger patty when you put it on the grill...it will be that same size when you take it off...and the first time you cook it on the grill will be to see if the flame went out due to the lack of any smoke! You sould have a good digital meat thermo and not cook the burgers over 150 degrees and steaks should be removed when they hit 145...this is not a meat you want to overcook.
The link I provided has a sub link that discusses how to prepare bison... should be required reading for anyone who wants to enjoy bison meat.

Great group of fella's those boys I got to pard with on this hunt...look forward to more good times with them in the future.

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Post by Don McDowell » Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:09 am

I seriously doubt you could tell any difference between the meat from a young bull and a heifer, unless that bull had been trying to breed, but on the otherhand if that heifer was trying to cycle there could be a difference in flavor. But you'ld really have to be a grass fed taste tester extreme to tell the difference.
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Post by Don McDowell » Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:56 pm

:lol: I have ate my share of grass fed beef... enough to know that cornfed is much more desirable. :wink:
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Post by Gussy » Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:34 pm

I grew up on a ranch. Ate some meat too :lol: Now I do think a young bull would be a bit bigger and a bit tougher chewing!! I'm sure I couldn't tell the difference in taste. However.....I'll take a white tail doe over a white tail buck anyday :shock: :shock:
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