Phoenix scores

This is where you can place your scores from the matches. It uses an excel spread sheet! If you send me your sheet of scores I can put it on the forum and provide a link where everyone can view it.

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Re: Phoenix scores

Post by desert deuce » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:48 pm

OK Kurt, it is time for you to send in your entries for the Triple Crown Match in Phoenix, March 2-11 at Ben Avery.
Eight days of target, two days of silhouette......sorry, no gongs. :roll:
Zack I intended on being there this year and I would have been if the dealership I got my new Gypsy wagon from would have got the needed warranty done in time before the weather turned. But just as well we didn't take off because Carols 96 year old Mom had a stroke. Couldn't have shot anyway. I was keeping up with what you guys were doing. Kurt
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Re: Phoenix scores

Post by Kurt » Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:16 pm

desert deuce wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:48 pm
.sorry, no gongs. :roll:

Hey Cactus Needles, I'm sure that there is some iron on the target frames to make noise. Where is the paper work?
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Re: Phoenix scores

Post by desert deuce » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:10 pm

Here you go frozen Snow Bank

http://www.asrpa.com/

Scroll down to Triple Crown and see entry information and forms on right or call Bill Loughrige at AZWINS at the bottom. He speaks English.
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Re: Phoenix scores

Post by Kurt » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:21 pm

Sorry Zack but I think I will pass. That would blow my summer budget for match fees and camping fees not counting the trip. :(
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Re: Phoenix scores

Post by desert deuce » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:30 pm

Likely story, you need to remember that you are already a well known excuse fabricator. As in too far to drive 1108 miles to Raton and not too far to drive to Baker Montana 1104 miles :roll: Thought nobody was paying attention? :?

Oh, and how much do you pay to shoot how many rounds at Big Hill????? :mrgreen:

For the Triple Crown you can shoot in one trip more than you will all summer and in much better company. Cheaper too, you can even stay in Wickenburg. Don't worry, we are very considerate of grumpy old men such as yourself that shoot from tables.

So cover your keyboard, shut off the computer and get to loading. You ain't foolin' this Zonie. I ain't buyin' it.
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Re: Phoenix scores

Post by Kurt » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:16 pm

Zack.

The excuses I make are usually in jest. I don't blame the spotter or wind when I get a bad finish.
I drive a lot of miles over the shooting season and I go to a lot of different shoots and enjoy them all and I'm sure this one would no different.
Shooting this match would be about $700. just for match fees and camping fees at Avery for about two weeks. This is considerable more then I spend for all match fees I shoot during the summer and none charge for me to park my Gypsy Wagon. And yes I shoot around 1500 rounds (and that is not enough to take) at the Q and Baker and I even run out of ammo shooting at those shoots
Yes I could stay at the LDMA camp at Stanton but this is a 120 mile round trip every day.
I will save the range fees for Ridgeway this year. I been wanting to shoot the Nationals.
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Re: Phoenix scores

Post by desert deuce » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:24 pm

Well, I lost the bet. I bet if you were invited you would come shoot Phoenix. Five at five to one you would not show and I lost to all five, so those five are happy with the dollar they each won. All or nothing and at today's rate it wouldn't have covered a pound of Swiss anyway if I had won. Obviously they thought it was a sure thing bet. :wink:
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Re: Phoenix scores

Post by bucksnort » Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:08 am

Is there an equipment list for this match? Not interested in bullet/powder info, just rifle weights/configs, etc. Thanks.

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Re: Phoenix scores

Post by desert deuce » Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:32 am

Bucksnort, briefly, in an effort to answer your question, the maximum rifle weight for silhouette is 12 pounds 2 ounces, for target rifle 15 pounds. Tollofson class if offered is 25 pounds in target rifle. Walking the line at Phoenix most long range rifles visually were closer to silhouette max weight than target rifle max weight. Sharps 74's & 78's with a Remington or two here and there.

In an effort to dispel some of the mystery that may exist surrounding shooting long range with cartridge rifles two articles made it to the pages of the Black Powder Cartridge News. In Issue 108 loading the 45-90 and Issue 109 Balanced Load. Contemporary Long Range competitors that have adopted these methods to their rifle/load/human factor have quickly risen in place on the scoreboards. It works for everyone I am aware of that has made a serious effort at determining their own capabilities so far.

Moreover, without effective fouling control nothing else really matters. Reading conditions depends entirely upon experience which can only be obtained at the range in practice and competitions because it is the individuals set of circumstances that govern success.
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Re: Phoenix scores

Post by bucksnort » Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:42 pm

Desert_duece,
The reason I asked was to see if a Shiloh LRE in .45-90 with a 34-in barrel would work. I'd prefer not to do a rebarrel. I looked in Seller's book on the 'competition' chapter, and it sounds like, at one time, the .45-100s were used. But not for long. They all went back to the .45-90. Just thinking. Thanks.

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Re: Phoenix scores

Post by desert deuce » Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:42 pm

I would say Shiloh LRE in 45-90 with 34" barrel with standard chamber would be an excellent choice. Neither over nor under gunned.
Some shooting 45-100's report outstanding results with 78 grains of Swiss 1.5 and a 540 grain money bullet for 1000 yard matches which you may find is a good place to start with the 45-70 or 45-90. It depends on the individual rifle.
45-70's Placed first and second in 2017 or 18 at The World, I disremember which at the moment, and way up there in score this year.
It is all about the individual shooter and his own rifle. Record what the chronograph says and listen to what the target tells you.
Shooting competition well takes mental focus. The rifle and load should be a settled issue in your mind before you load the truck to go to the match.
Consistency matters and I am pretty sure quality practice and match experience is the path to success once the mental aspect is taken care of.
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Re: Phoenix scores

Post by desert deuce » Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:47 pm

I should have mentioned that the ability to totally focus mentally has nothing to do with intelligence.
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Re: Phoenix scores

Post by SFogler » Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:59 pm

I have a 45-100 that I had built to fit Seller's descriptions of the long range Sharps of that time. They were used for less than a year in this configuration: 32" half oct barrel, single set trigger, shot gun butt, with checkered forearm and pistol grip. I have a MVA buffalo soule on it. I use 78 grains Swiss 1.5 with the 540 Money bullet. It did pretty well at Ben Avery this year. The recoil is very manageable. 9-10 days shooting 50 rds a day. No problem. I got kinda "invested" in 45-100s a couple of years ago and I don't need to get involved with yet another caliber. Otherwise a 45-90 like you ask about would be my first choice for everything. Just because it says "100" or "90" doesn't mean your best long range load will be the one that fills the case up all the way. I would think you could do very well with a 34" 45-90 at anything you want to shoot.

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Re: Phoenix scores

Post by jackrabbit » Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:27 am

desert deuce wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:47 pm
I should have mentioned that the ability to totally focus mentally has nothing to do with intelligence.
Ha! That's true and funny! Some of the best athletes I know that can totally focus are not the sharpest tools in the drawer....

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Re: Phoenix scores

Post by Kenny Wasserburger » Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:49 pm

And.....the reverse is also true....I know shooters that focus extremely well, and are pretty darn Sharp. :D

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