Where are the Q scores?

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Re: Where are the Q scores?

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Kurt wrote: "There are no large matches with interest like the Quigley, Baker and Alliance going on right now since the late 1800rds."

I am puzzled. As I recall the large matches in the late 1800dreds were target matches in one form or another. They were not gong matches. Even so, crunching those numbers may be deceiving compared to population size in the mentioned time frames.

The Desert International IRONMAN Match in number of rounds fired to win is by far the largest Black Powder Target Rifle Match on earth with the Q the King of gong shooting.

Interestingly, the same rifleman, (Dave Gullo), won both the IRONMAN and the Quigley in 2022.

Which begs the question of which one is the more difficult? Hard to say as comparing target to gong in 2022 is more like the apples to oranges comparison.

However one slices the facts though in 2022 Dave Gullo is the top BPCR Rifleman on the planet as decided in competition. If, that is, one focuses on results and outcomes. 8)
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Zack, Dave is indeed a very, very good shooter, and gentleman to boot, but don't forget to give his spotter some credit also, one of the best in the "business", from what I have seen, Mr. Venhous.
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Zack,

The way I look at black powder matches and I like silhouette, target and gong. There is something going on with the target matches that the attendance is steadily declining. Why? I don't know.
Looking at the late 1800 rds photo's of shooters and spectators there is nothing I see now days that coms close except for the Quigley with shooter on line. I might be wrong but when I'm at the Q and compete with 600 plus shooters from almost every State and some Foreign shooters I feel we all are doing something we like.
I feel when I see the champion shooters target or gong and I'm close or above them on the leader board I feel good.
That's all the reward or awards I need :D
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I hear you Grumpy Bear, however, what you may not know is Patituerto Venhous and I go way back and he gets very nervous if not suspicious if I were to toot his horn so to speak. So, I just go into stealth mode and that puts him on combat defense alert and that is about where we are at the moment. :lol: :lol: :lol: He knows something is coming he just doesn't know what or when. :P
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Kurt, that's easy.

For instance: The Q is essentially a social event in comparison to the Desert International which is a serious match for high level competition. 8)

Reading the news articles of the day back in the 1800dreds long range target was more a team spectator sport. Remembering two years running America had a difficult time putting together six men for team competition.

At the Q you may fire a total of 48 for score in a few days. At the Desert International a competitor may fire that many for sighters and score in a match then turn around and do the same for the next six days. It is called the IRONMAN for a reason. :wink:

Then you have silhouette which falls somewhere in between and let's not overlook Schuetzen but I will leave that one alone. :shock:
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desert deuce wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:37 pm Kurt, that's easy.

For instance: The Q is essentially a social event in comparison to the Desert International which is a serious match for high level competition. 8)

Reading the news articles of the day back in the 1800dreds long range target was more a team spectator sport. Remembering two years running America had a difficult time putting together six men for team competition.

At the Q you may fire a total of 48 for score in a few days. At the Desert International a competitor may fire that many for sighters and score in a match then turn around and do the same for the next six days. It is called the IRONMAN for a reason. :wink:

Then you have silhouette which falls somewhere in between and let's not overlook Schuetzen but I will leave that one alone. :shock:
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At the Q the sighters are shot the week before, maybe thousands (Right Kurt) And then the high level competition begins without any sighters. :roll:
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For me the Q since 2004-5 has become a Family reunion. Been shooting with the same group all these years.
The days before the match, sometimes 7-8 I won 't call them sighter shots before the match I call the shots ranging shots for the rifles and loads I brought, LOL, last couple years 2000 rounds because I ran out with 1800 and could not shoot on the BIG HILL :D
You don't get a sighter shot when the match begins, first shot is for record. The ranging/sighter shots just get you the elevations for the target and what you marked in your brain book the days before will get you close but the conditions of those Forsyth wind Devils you look at the leaning grass how far it's bent over and make your sight setting :D
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Zack,

Yes the Q is a social event for me anyway, but it's also very serious for me when the match starts. I have a hard holders mental book with competitors I shoot against at those gong matches. Yes the targets are different than the paper targets but we shoot the same targets and conditions at the Q. There is no difference in the competition between the shooters working for the top score on the leader board.
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Kurt wrote: For me the Q since 2004-5 has become a Family reunion. Been shooting with the same group all these years.
The days before the match, sometimes 7-8 I won 't call them sighter shots before the match I call the shots ranging shots for the rifles and loads I brought, LOL, last couple years 2000 rounds because I ran out with 1800.

Exactly, the Q is essentially a social event and 1800 rounds/7 days = 250 rounds a day, more or less.

To shoot Q practice days and sit on the firing line for 4 hours without interruption would be more than one shot per minute. :roll:

Then multiply that by an average of say 500 shooters over the years and, and..........? :? How many hours are in a day?

In reading this do not try to imply this is in any way denigrating the Q, no not at all and any shooting is good. BUT, it does seem, at times, there is a loss of perspective. :(
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Zack,

Those rounds are shot between Baker before and after the Quigley. so it's over a three weeks time frame.
Call it what you want, the coipition is still as great. A lot of the shooters that shoot the Nationals shoot the Q.
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DD wrote
Which begs the question of which one is the more difficult? Hard to say as comparing target to gong in 2022 is more like the apples to oranges comparison.

For 1000 yard gong and paper shoots it would seem that the environmental factors are similar but it’s just the scoring that’s different. The better teams rise to the top. In comparing the Quigley to the Desert International, is the observation that good paper shooters will do well at gongs but not necessarily the converse?

I enjoy the various gong shoots. If I had access to a 800 - 1,000 yard range or so I’d be shooting paper. It’s all good.
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Mike et All,

To quote you, " In comparing the Quigley to the Desert International, is the observation that good paper shooters will do well at gongs but not necessarily the converse?" If that were true at all how do you explain that Dave Gullo won both events? Should he not have failed at the supposedly more difficult Phoenix match? If that were true how do you explain that 'Aviator' who placed very well in Phoenix and yet only 44th at the Quigley this year with the same gun and load? Sorry to drag you into this Steve. Enter the Spotter, there's the difference in so many cases. The fact that paper shooters allow themselves the luxury of sighters to make their scores look better is a huge factor. What wild animal has ever stood still while you take unlimited sighters to make sure of a hit on your first shot for score? The Quigley is designed to represent the reality that the Buffalo hunters faced. You can avoid reality but not the consequences of avoiding reality - Ayn Rand. I'll leave it there.

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In the spirit of full disclosure, I didn't use my well-proven 45-70 Shiloh at Quigley, but used a not-yet-proven 45-70 Highwall. :shock:
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Which should allow Aviator a 40 place handicap. Leaving Old Betsy home gave 40 others an advantage.
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