1863 Carbine

Support for the 1863 shooter. Discussions of powders, loads, bullets, etc.
johnl
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1863 Carbine

Post by johnl » Tue Sep 06, 2016 6:24 am

I got the itch for the SRC version. Wonder if Kirk will make them again? I guess I can always call and find out, I guess I'm just talking to myself. My retired buddies tell me it happen more as you get older :lol: Still would love a 1863 :D

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Re: 1863 Carbine

Post by dennis g » Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:38 pm

There's one for sale on the N-SSA bulletin board. Supposedly unfired.

George Babits
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Re: 1863 Carbine

Post by George Babits » Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:47 pm

Not to knock Shiloh they are darn good, but you can probably get an original for what he is asking for that Shiloh carbine. I got an original a couple of years ago with a really good bore. It was missing a few parts. Lodgewood had everything needed and now it is complete. Cost me about $1700 altogether if I remember right, plus some time. Still haven't gotten around to shooting it; just too many other things of higher priority. Undoubtedly a Shiloh will shoot better than an original and be easier to clean; but there is something magical about originals (to me at least).

George
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Re: 1863 Carbine

Post by johnl » Tue Sep 06, 2016 6:02 pm

George Babits wrote:Not to knock Shiloh they are darn good, but you can probably get an original for what he is asking for that Shiloh carbine. I got an original a couple of years ago with a really good bore. It was missing a few parts. Lodgewood had everything needed and now it is complete. Cost me about $1700 altogether if I remember right, plus some time. Still haven't gotten around to shooting it; just too many other things of higher priority. Undoubtedly a Shiloh will shoot better than an original and be easier to clean; but there is something magical about originals (to me at least).

George
Salmon, Idaho


George, I hear what you are saying. Being in Canada the selection of originals are slim, especially clean ones. Must go to more gun shows I guess.

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Re: 1863 Carbine

Post by George Babits » Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:41 am

I got that one off GunBroker. A heck of a lot better price than anything I had seen at any gunshow. There are a lot of over priced rifles on GunBroker and at gunshows, but there are some real bargains as well. Takes a lot of looking to find them though.

George

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Re: 1863 Carbine

Post by Todd Birch » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:44 pm

You guys are making me feel bad. I've got a .50 Farmingdale '63 SRC with a beautiful fancy grade wood. Off hand it groups 2" at 50 yds. I rarely shoot it and have yet to take game with it or my .50 '63 Military Rifle.
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Re: 1863 Carbine

Post by George Babits » Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:55 pm

It's OK Todd, you don't have to take game with a rifle to justify it. I have yet to shoot the original Sharps carbine I've had for 2 or 3 years now. Really working up to it. But then last night I bought an early Farmingdale 54 caliber infantry rifle. I had one 20 years ago and let it get away and just couldn't resist. I guess it is a disease. I wonder if I can get some kind of a disability.
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Re: 1863 Carbine

Post by Todd Birch » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:40 am

Disease? Disability? I've had worse. However, the six Shiloh rifles in my rack might be indicative of something akin to obsession. Life is too short to worry about such trivia.
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Re: 1863 Carbine

Post by George Babits » Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:59 pm

Obsession, disease, or disability? It doesn't really matter at all; just meaningless trivia. The disability aspect was aimed at some of the idiotic "disabilities" that people in the US come up with to avoid working for a living. The 1863 Infantry rifle makes my Shiloh total of only 3, but there are 4 or 5 more original Sharps rifles in the safe. I have shot them all with the exception of the 1863 carbine. I hope to shoot that sometime thif fall, probably with loose powder for starters; but that may take a back seat to the new toy. I've had another half dozen or so Shiloh rifles that got away from me.

George

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Re: 1863 Carbine

Post by Todd Birch » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:30 pm

Loose powder is said to cause cavitation of the gas plate. Might be better to make up some paper cartridges. Part of the mystique.
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Re: 1863 Carbine

Post by George Babits » Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:10 pm

Eventually I'll make up paper cartridges. But I think loose powder causing any problems is probably a myth. Once you close the breech and sheer off the rear of the paper cartridge, the powder falls into the breech anyway. The one thing I remember from the Shiloh I had before was that with the nitrated paper that extra salt peter made less fouling. The paper cartridge Sharps goes completely against everything held sacred with metalic cartridge rifles. I used the Lyman 54 caliber minie with the first one and will use it with both the origianl and the new (to me) Shiloh.

George

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Re: 1863 Carbine

Post by tazwellboy » Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:24 pm

Good evening, everyone. I have a Montana pre-Bryan Shiloh 1863 Infantry rifle in .54 which was crafted in 1986.
You can't go wrong with Charlie Hahn tubes, a Steve Brooks bullet to fit the tuna, hair curler paper and glue for the ends and Swiss 1.5.
A few months ago, Kirk fitted an extra gas plate and cut a front dovetail for an asjustable blade front sight, so I'm good for about 100 k rounds!
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Re: 1863 Carbine

Post by tazwellboy » Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:27 pm

Tubes vice tuna! I had auto correct!
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Re: 1863 Carbine

Post by George Babits » Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:54 am

If you need to use "tubes" in a precussion Sharps you should have bought a 50-70 infantry rifle or carbine instead of an 1863 precussion. Or get an original Maynard, Smith, or Burnside carbine. They were all designed to use a cartridge case with outside priming. The 1863 Sharps is designed for use with a paper or linen combustable cartridge, to shoot it otherwise is a perversion no matter how much more convient it may seem. By the way, the extra KNO3 from the paper makes them shoot cleaner too.

George

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Re: 1863 Carbine

Post by Todd Birch » Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:37 am

My '63s (Military Rifle and SRC) are both in .50, so Charlie's tubes were useless to me.

If the use of tubes offends some, a solution I came up with will really ruffle their feathers! I've rolled a .54 60 gr. Pyrodex pellet with a .510 lubed bullet that looks like an original compressed powder cartridge. They handle and shoot well.

By the way, I also have the same Military Rifle and Carbine in 50-70 - my go to rifles for hunting.
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