Lyman 457124 385gr

Manny Clothakis · Post by **Manny Clothakis** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 10:26 am

Does anyone have a starting load for this bullet? I was given 1000 of these and would like to test in my Shiloh 45-70 #1. Would this be good at say 200 yard chickens or????Thanks, Manny

horsefly · Post by **horsefly** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:32 am

Good Morning, Manny,

I don't have a load for this bullet - sorry. I started out out with some that alterfurz cast for me and did not have good luck. I loaded them with fairly heavy load of FFg Goex and got severe leading.

Results were not great, but promising enough that I bought the 325 grain RCBS and I tried it for a while with reduced loads of FFg Goex. It looks like I'm finally going to have some time soon and I want to take up the light load search again.

I'm going to start looking in the range of 55 to 65 gr of FFg with and without fillers. If you try without fillers, I have found it best to elevate the muzzle before each shot to settle the powder.

Now, for the folks who are going to jump on here and say never to use loose powder because it's dangerous: as I read it, MLV never said that non-compressed loads were dangerous. Just that they performed poorly. I agree. Mostly.

However, in light of that current thinking, you should remember that I am telling you what I did. It's your decision whether to try it or not.

What do you say, MLV?

Y'all be good.

horsefly

MLV · Post by **MLV** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:14 am

Right. I never said they were dangerous. Used to be when shooting Goex I always compressed a load slightly because then it was more accurate. However, my Swiss 1 1/2 Fg .40-65 load used in both a Lone Star and Shiloh isn't compressed. You can pull the bullet and card wad on one and pour the powder right out. Some other loads with Swiss I do compress.

MLV · Post by **MLV** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:16 am

Manny: I've owned the Lyman 457124 mold since 1972. In many rifles it has not shot worth a hoot, but once in a while a rifle likes them ok. As for a "starting load" just fill the case up with one sort or another of bp until it comes to the base of the bullet. Then go shoot it.

KHR · Post by **KHR** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 7:34 pm

MLV
are you putting a card wad above your 40/65 load and hand pressing it into place? Also do you load swiss into your 40/70 loads?
thanks

keith

MLV · Post by **MLV** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:09 pm

KHR: yes, I'm using a Walter's .060 inch vegetable fiber wad over the powder and pushing it in place by hand. My Swiss 1 1/2Fg load for the .40-65 is 57.0 grains under a 425 grain Brooks bullet with CCI-BR primers. With the .40-70SS I use 62 grains with all else the same. Brass for the .40-65 is Winchester and brass for the .40-70SS is Bertram.

MRich · Post by **MRich** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 5:55 am

Manny:

This is my "Chicken" bullet for a .45/70.

Here's my load for what it's worth.
WW cases, Fed. 215 primer, 52 grns by weight GOEX FFg, 6-.0625 Walters Wads, seat bullet by hand in fireforms cases. The wad column bring the first briving band to the top of the case.

MRich

Bumper · Post by **Bumper** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 6:27 am

I've had some success (if the chickens don't duck or move) using the old government 405gr bullet in RP cases, 67gr GOEX cart, .o60 LDPE wad, and WLR primers. My best group at 200m off the bench is about 3" which is about as good as I can do. Rbump

Manny Clothakis · Post by **Manny Clothakis** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 9:27 am

Thanks guy's for the info.
MRich, is that six .0625 wads????? Must be allot of stuff flying down range.....

JAGG · Post by **JAGG** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 10:10 am

M C ! I have used the lyman 457124 bullet mould for years it works well with 60gr goex 2fg drop tubed and a 1 to 25 to 30 alloy and with 70gr 2fg compressed with a 1 to 20 alloy ! Alloy and lube are the Key ! Was getting 1350fps with the 70gr load , and around 1100 to 1200fps with the 60gr load . Depending on barrel length ! JAGG

MRich · Post by **MRich** » Tue Mar 02, 2004 5:48 am

Manny:

Yes, that's 6 - .0625 Veg. Wads to fill the case up to the point the first driving band is flush with the case.

Try the load, I compare it to a .22CB against a .22LR. Hardly any recoil.

MRich