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desert deuce wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:27 am I am trying to imagine taking an original High Condition all original 1874 Sharps Boss Rifle in 45 2 7/8ths hunting while looking at my vintage Winchester '06 formerly of High Condition until I took it hunting over the years.

Can't get the idea to compute.

If I had got the rifle, it may have gone out to shoot a hog or two. But shooting the rifle would have been limited, even at the range. When I get a new rifle, it will not be exclusively used for hunting but it will go to the field.

SchuetzenDave wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:33 am The Knock Down Ratings are:

.303 British 173 grains 2440 fps KD 18
.30-06 Springfield 180 grains 2750 fps KD 22
.300 Win. Mag. 200 grains 2850 fps KD 25
.45-70 Government 405 grains 1325 fps KD 35 (with BP)
.45-70 Government 500 grains 1250 fps KD 41 (with BP)

My hunting loads with a 30-06, was always with 150gr bullets, at about 2950 fps. Except withe the M1, when punching paper, 168 gr MK.

Of course I understand that you can accurately hit the target with a rainbow trajectory. If I didn't understand that, I would not even be interested.

Chickm1
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VectorMan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:10 am With all due respect, stating that a 45-70 is comparable to taking a slingshot is probably the dumbest statement I’ve heard on this forum. The 45-70 will not only take down any animal that you would hunt in North American but it’s also a very competitive round at 1000 yards. I emplore you to rethink your choice of words to describe one of the most popular rounds ever developed in history. After almost 150 years it’s still going strong. I can’t recall right offhand another rifle caliber that can say that today.

Like I said, with all due respect.

KA

If you had read the post, you would have seen that the statement was comparing the trajectory of the 45-70 to that of a slingshot (when compared to modern CF cartridges. It was hyperbole. Don't get your panties all wadded up.

Tomklinger wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:08 pm Chickm1
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Thanks Tom. I have read the Sharps posts for years, and wanted one of these rifles since I was a kid.

Like I said, with all due respect. Get what you want and shoot it a lot. You’ll be fine.

If you are planning on using smokless powder, not black, the 45-70 is about as big as you would want to go. Even with the 45-70, smokless powder will generally fill less than half the case. And, while it can be done, smokless really shouldn't be used in an original. That 1800 fps in your muzzle loader, if using a patched round ball, will have a steeper trajectory than the 45-70 past 100 yards, maybe sooner. I chronographed my .54 caliber flintlock (my other go to hunting rifle) and saw a bit over 1600 fps with the patched round ball. Other than the 58 caliber Enfield I have, I've never used anything but a patched roundball in a muzzle loader and that has always done what I wanted it to do.

George

Starline makes both .45-90 (2.4") and .45-100 (2.6"). If you really don't want to deal with high trajectory, then I would suggest that Shiloh will chamber a Sharps 74 in .30-40 Krag. However, for hunting, any of the 45s will do, though most will advise to keep the range under 200 yards. If you want to shoot black powder, then by all means get the .45-70. It will do anything you want to do, and the only thing your getting with the longer cases is a somewhat deeper hole in the ground on the other side of the animal.

With ALL these calibers, you are dealing with trajectories measured in feet, longer cases only get you a few inchs. This matters a great deal in long range BPCR, but not so much for hunting. I use a .50-70 myself. More of a mortar than a slingshot I suspect.

George,
In my ML I am shooting a 250gr Hornady saboted 45 gr bullet ahead of 100 GR of Blackhorn 209. I quit fighting true black powder in a ML, years ago. Zeroed at 100, it drops 12" at 200, and I stop right there.

George,
In my ML I am shooting a 250gr Hornady saboted 45 gr bullet ahead of 100 GR of Blackhorn 209. I quit fighting true black powder in a ML, years ago. Zeroed at 100, it drops 12" at 200, and I stop right there.

Fighting BP? What is wrong with blackpowder?

This might be the dumbest thread I've seen in years. Oh well

100 grains of BlackHorn 209 has to kick like a mule. You must mean volume.

I meant to answer your comment about loading smokeless powder. Whatever I get, I will look into using the Black Horn 209. It is not black powder, and nor is it true smokeless powder. As good of luck as I have had with my muzzleloader with it, I really like it. No wiping between shots, about 5-10% of the s.oke of black powder, but it is mildly corrosive. And expensive. But, who knows? I am a long way from there

hipshot1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:28 pm 100 grains of BlackHorn 209 has to kick like a mule. You must mean volume.

Yes, you are correct. It is 100 grs by volume. I don't know what 100 grs by weight would kick like, and not interested in finding out. I know 150 gr of 777 is not pleasant.