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What is wrong with just using plain water instead of all these witches brews......

my thoughts exactly Kurt....Ken

Kurt & kenny sd, water is not exotic, it has no mystery to it, so it can not be very effective against the evil BP fouling that we have to deal with in our sport.

Keep on hav'n fun!
MikeT

OH MIKE. How True. That is why I wore a special set of gloves when I cast today, and carry the gun in a buffalo hide sheath with beadwork on it. They MUST make me a better shot...I hope.
and they thought baseball players were super...make that stupidsticious.... HA.

I even have my favorite pare of socks, and hat.......Ken

It gives me an excuse for not using it when I turn in a bad score sheet

Water doesn’t touch the carbon fouling in the barrel. Chemical Fact.

Those that have never fired a 15 shot string in Phoenix speaking loudly and boldly on thread, well just going to say this, you’re full of shit.

Carry on.

KW

I feel the need to expand a bit on the statement Kenny so definitively made.

It is not so much that individual shooters may have a preference as to what works for them where they shoot, but, experience shooting at many venues, in this case Phoenix, require different approaches to hard barrel fouling control. In this case reality is associated with what works best.

A certain amount of pragmatism is necessary when addressing hard barrel fouling simply because if it is not controlled effectively the shooter will not score well. This in essence is another example of where accepted theory meets reality.

Therefore, as in Phoenix, to determine what/which hard fouling control method worked that day for those shooters at that range one but has to peruse the equipment list in conjunction with the match score sheet.

Fear not, at this moment that information is being collated and will soon be sent to Black Powder Cartridge News for publication and you will be able to decide for yourself, should you have the wonderful opportunity to shoot in the largest black powder target rifle match in the world, what the top scorers in 2022 used for hard fouling control in their rifle barrels.

Facts are stubborn things.

Kenny, I'm fine with my competitors trying to use one patch with water during a 15 shot for record string at 2000 yards, with 5 percent humidity and 95 degrees! Bring 'em on!

Ok I will ask,
What is the difference in the conditions of Phoenix in March or Montana in June?
I have shot in AZ, Wyo, Mt, Neb and several other States and my barrels get so hot I smell the wood and the screws holding the forearm burning my hand and I get by with water only except in th winter I use antifreeze to keep the patches from freezing. Maybe that is the wrong stuff to use also.
I see who is under my name at matches using different wiping fluids and no I don't shoot the Nationals because of the bickering and complaints here after those matches.

The good side about only shooting 'so so' ... is I still have a variety of things to blame for my dropped shots, dirt diggers ..or even those bullets that come in with a 'reverse somersault with a pike' I'm never used M Pro 7... so I've ordered some to give it a try. We dont get the cold you fellas can get over there but we can match the heat most times ( not a goal by the way ). I'd love to give that match a go one day Zac but with my sentimental & logistical favourites still being in Montana...it may take a few years yet. To travel in March and remain until July would be a big step...may have to make it a double and clock up some frequent flyer points

best regards to all... Gavin.

..ps. some impressive shooting at Phoenix by the way.

An important feature to keep in mind J.B., The Phoenix Match is expressly designed to accommodate and appeal to the International Shooter. There is no better, to my knowledge, range better suited for long range black powder target rifle competition when looking not only at the facility itself but the area in general with transportation, dining, lodging, points of interest, etc.

We have flown and displayed the flags of foreign competitors at the range when they are present and shooting, so make sure you bring an Australian flag with you before you are annexed by the USA.

If you want to win, see what the current winners are doing and understand why they do it. If not then just do whatever, and make some smoke, there is nothing wrong with that either if it floats your boat

I haven't shot in Phoenix for several years but when I did, there was absolutely no doubt that the fouling problems were worse there than any I've ever experienced. The very best thing that happened to me there was to pick up a few tips on fouling control from those that scored higher than me. They are among the most useful things I've picked up from hanging around with a fair number of talented master class shooters.

Chris.

Kurt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:19 pm Ok I will ask,
What is the difference in the conditions of Phoenix in March or Montana in June?
I have shot in AZ, Wyo, Mt, Neb and several other States and my barrels get so hot I smell the wood and the screws holding the forearm burning my hand and I get by with water only except in th winter I use antifreeze to keep the patches from freezing. Maybe that is the wrong stuff to use also.
I see who is under my name at matches using different wiping fluids and no I don't shoot the Nationals because of the bickering and complaints here after those matches.

Kurt, the only thing I can think of is this...this year at the match, shooting mat temp was around 124 degrees, air temp was 97. The humidity in the air was around 5 or 6 percent. I think the humidity is where the rubber meets the road when trying to control fouling. Plain water just won't cut it in those conditions. Just my perspective and I might be off base, but I'll gladly shoot against a competitor wiping with plain water in those conditions.
Dennis

Thank you Dennis for your inside.

Yes I know what heat and dry air does for fouling. I have tried several different liquids for wiping and I go back to just plain water. I tried cutting oil mixes and even moping the bore my brass stretched, maybe it was the bottle necked cases of the .44-77 and the .44-90 bn I have no idea but I do know that this never happens using water.
Last Quigley the Air temp was 115º I have no idea what the humidity was but it was hot and I shot a bunch of rounds and I used two wet and one dry patch and I had no problem with fouling and the dry patch came out light gray, not black like the first wet patch.

Dennis, I care less what the shooters use, I use what works for me and if it don't I do my best to find out why it does not work.

Kurt

Shooting at Phoenix with high humidity running around 8 %, ambient temp pushing 90 is something that has to be experienced to be believed. Rest assured shooting 40 + rounds in a day is a whole different ball game that shooting 48 for score over an entire weekend.
Raton , Byers and Worland can cause some really nasty foul out problems in the low humidity and high temps combined with wind when shooting the long strings in BPTR and silhouette. Think something along the lines of 14+ rounds in a 25-30 minute time frame with mat temps going somewhere north of 120 degrees.
Have tried the MP-7 for wiping between shots but didn't see a big advantage to using it over using NAPA oil and water. At the end of the shooting day I wipe the bore out with a good solvent , usually Montana Extreme Cowboy blend.