Trends in Gong Matches

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Oh....another thought, as long as Brian H. mentioned it, I would be glad to sponsor the Match Winner placque as well.

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For Mike Herth, one disadvantage to using Blackhorn 209 in Canada is that Cabela's show a list price of $79.99 for a 10 oz. bottle. Can you believe it?

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Started this last night, finished it this morning, my blood pressure told me to go lie down last night :shock:
charlie young wrote:Good Lord Brian H. I haven't read that much at one time for a long time!! :D
Charlie,
I've got so many things bouncing around in my head on these things I can't stand it 8)
Every once in a while, some will slip out the barn door :lol:
charlie young wrote:Good post, you must be done reffing football for the season and had a little time. 2 matches I really like and have time for, is the Big Gun/Little Gun and the Coker Memorial is the other.
I was called & asked to supply a crew for a playoff game, been done for a couple of weeks now :D
Have you forgotten, basketball has started & it overlaps with the football playoffs :wink: I got plenty to do. I've been accused of burning the candle at both ends & trying to light it in the middle :lol:
charlie young wrote:Again good post,
Charlie
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Grab a blanket & your reading glasses :wink:
Kenny Wasserburger wrote:Shadow 4

Very well done, a better post I haven't read in sometime. Thought provoking and helpful, and insightful reasoning. Plus I agree 100%.

Very well done, on topic, and moved the conversation back to the topic,
Kenny Wasserbuger
Thank you Kenny, there's something to be said about common sense, reason & rational thought, it just ooozes out of me :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
semtav wrote:Holy Smokes Batman !!! That's the kind of feedback I like to see. Can't address everything online, but points well taken.
Semtav,

Thank you Brian, only observations, those observations are worth what you paid for them, + or - :D

Every topic that was brought up, was done so for a specific reason. Everyone of those topic's need to have the discussion started.
semtav wrote:Can't address everything online
Nor should you discuss significant parts of this "online", my only hope is to have spurred the conversation to get started, right now, it cannot wait.......with whomever you need to have that particular topic of conversation with.

I have been a member of the Montana Officials Association for 20 years, pool leader & Master Official, Football & Basketball, I tell my guys that when we are on that field, it's nobody's damn business what we say to each other, or how we come to our decisions & that we only tell coaches what we want to tell them

Some people need to step up, put up or shut up. I got tired a looooooong time ago, with people that bump the hell out of their gums about this needs to be that, & that needs to be this, you need to be doing this, you need to be doing that, why are you doing it that way, why aren't you doing it this way, & when this & that need to be done, where's that gum bumping sum bitch at? No where to be found, my response to gum bumpers, SIT DOWN & STFUP, & if all you're going to do is bitch about how or why this & that is being done, leave, you're of no use to me.

Good Ole Brian H. doesn't need to step up or put up ANY MORE than he already does, good ole Brian H. has sponsored just shy of a $1000 dollars worth of plaques, every year, that's right, every year, since 2013, add that up............done adding yet? I could be buying a lot of OLD E or lead instead

Well, "It's your own damn fault, Why don't you go ask for plaque sponsors", glad you asked. There's already two well established, longer running shoots here, one North & the other South of town, businesses get hit & support those two, I'm not going to go hit them a 3rd, 4th & a 5th time, after awhile, they'll get tired of being hit, then they quit........ Git it?........I don't want them to quit the other two shoots we have here..... Hope that satisfys your...........whatever. :? HMMMMM, I'm asking, answering & arguing with myself, something wrong here, must be the meds :roll: :lol:
There's a reason for/for not, doing something, remember that :wink:
How many peolpe know these things?
How many people even give it a thought?
Don't ever doubt me, am I batting a 1000, nope, just don't ever doubt me

Now, in bringing up that particular topic, in around 8 hours, (9:15 AM - 5:35 PM) two offers of sponsorship have been made, if someone else wants to sponsor, have at it, I'll gladly step aside, my financial burden is heavy enough already.
Conversation started, offers of solution laid at your feet. Check..........Next

Now, mind you I've had exactly two people in six years step up & ask if they could sponsor plaques, it was gladly accepted. One of the "Early" years, after a huge monetary expense for targets was laid out, the porta potty bill to be paid, & the "just getting started" shooter numbers were building up, shooters went around quietly on Sunday afternoon & took up a collection & presented me with an envelope with cash in it to help defray the "startup costs", it was damn sure humbly accepted. Over the years I've had two other gentleman walk up & hand me cash, "Put this on the porta potty bill", Thank you very much.

I'm not bitch'n, whining or complaining, these are statements of FACT, it is what it is, & I do it because I want to, but facts are facts, & I'll continue to do it as long as I can, just as long as that particular shoot supports itself, as soon as it doesn't it will be gone.

99 out of a 100 people, have no clue what HAS to take place.
A for instance, some people wonder, "Why do you do all this mowing"?, simple, when you drive through that gate & cross the cattle guard, you've got a couple hundred yards of mowed shoulder on each side of the road, then you drive through the gate where we park our campers & shoot from, people smile, they think, "Wow! This place is mowed like a putting green, someone gives a sh$t," I gotcha & you & you haven't even parked your truck yet :wink: Now, are shooting matches about mowing the grass, HELL NO, there's so much more to it than that, however, it plays a very important role, DON"T FOOL YOURSELF they are however about PERCEPTION
How do I know this? Because people tell me so, "Wow Brian, this is incredible, the road is mowed all the way from the highway, where we park our campers, the firing line, the target's, this is incredible," some one says it every year, I tell them thank you, you're welcome, & I get a lot of great help to do it.

Lets review:
Mowing/weed eating, #1 PERCEPTION, #2 you can see your misses behind the targets, #3 you aren't stomping thru the tall grass for four days, #4 after the dew or a rain, your pants aren't wet clear to your crotch.............. PERCEPTION

The simplest thing, mowing, just turned into a BIG DEAL & has an effect on many things

Think before you do/don't do something
When you do something, you have to "Think" to the horizon, not "Think" to the end of your nose :wink:

Let me put it to you this way, you may have the best concrete in the world, BUT, (that's a really big but) if your finish work sucks, so does your concrete, thus ends today's lesson on............PERCEPTION

There are people that talk about how things should be done, or want to form "committees" to study "It", whatever "IT" is, & there are people that go out & do them, generally better than a larger group that just talks about how things should be done :wink:

Brian, I don't know you all that well, however, you strike me as a let's figure this out, now, let's get it done.

Some advice, move your stampede strap from behind your head & place it under your chin, Take a FIRM hold of the reins.......... now......... DROP THEM......... let that 4 horse hitch take their bits & run like hell with them, & just for good measure, take hold of that whip & sting each one of them on the ass cheek, just to let them know what's expected, use it sparingly.

You've been around long enough to see that there was a recipe, formula so to speak, to work from & why anyone would think it wise to come into possession of that recipe & take a firm hold of the reins & pull hard on them & yell "WHOA", defies logic, that formula produced the most successful, popular, largest & enjoyable Buffalo Rifle Match IN THE WORLD..........BAR NONE.........FACT

If something doesn't work, face it, change it, move on, don't repeat it
Brian, you've got a great match a brewing here, you can do this, you know who to bring into that tight inner circle, one was sitting at the table, the other was making the rounds with that huge smile on her face & a hug ready :wink: & she''d do it every year, happily

This is a memorial match for a stoic man of the most popular, largest, Buffalo Rifle Match in the world.........LET.......THEM.........RUN

Sometimes you just have grab hold of the reins, run your fist up his mane & place it between his ears, sink spur, scream like a Comanche & bring that quirt down on his thigh

Don't run off blindly now :wink: it'll be fine

I'm going to step away for now, as my blood pressure is..........well, every time my heart beats, it moves my upper body on the backrest of the chair :shock:

I'll speak no more of this..........maybe

I'm not upset, I'm passionate :roll:
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Re: Trends in Gong Matches

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I think you left everyone speechless Brian !!
We'll have to visit in person sometime before I get busy next spring.
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I have lots to say but this is not the place. So all I will say is I hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving.
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P.S. One thing I will say, Most of what Shadow is saying is spot on.
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One thing bouncing around in my hollow skull is squading issues. I am not enamored with cluster squading right before a match.
Would like to come up with a better way of doing it. Obviously preregistering and presquading would help. Curious what others have come up with to alleviate doing it all right before a match.
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Preregistration is the only way.

Or requiring a presquading Friday evening before the match.

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Thanks
That's the way I'll be going.
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semtav wrote:One thing bouncing around in my hollow skull is squading issues. I am not enamored with cluster squading right before a match.
Would like to come up with a better way of doing it. Obviously preregistering and presquading would help. Curious what others have come up with to alleviate doing it all right before a match.
40-70 shooters GONG MATCH

BIG HILL SPRING/FALL.......WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP....LITTLE GUN/BIG GUN.........
MEDICINE ROCKS.........MT 1000......... BUZ COKER MEMORIAL


If you've got 40-70 shooters at a long range match, start time 10 am, we close the range 30 minutes prior to start time.
Shooters meeting starts also 30 minutes prior.

Boards are put out for people to squad just after 9 am, until 9:30, Plenty of time.

9:30, During shooters meeting, you can address whether or not everyone has gotten on a board. Not that big of a deal.

SOLUTION #1

Closing entries 1 hr before match time (As we do)
When you close entries 1 hr prior to the match starting, you already have the all the information you need, # of shooters. You now also know how many boards to put out & how many shooters you need on each board
Close entries, set boards out, you've now left everyone 30-45 minutes to set up their relays, collect boards, conduct shooters meeting, call role, announce boards & target, go shoot :D

SOLUTION #2

As an example;
Squad the folks you've got on Friday afternoon/evening, & ALLOW THEM to squad the 3 Hickey shooters into their squad, "THEY", (Corky, Dick or Paul) already know how to place us in the squad, as we won't be traveling to Forsyth the day before, we'll be traveling Saturday morning. Your squads & relays are now already set up :wink:



600 + SHOOTERS GONG MATCH

QUIGLEY

Now, we've got a problem.
Our traveling circus of shooters, brings with it,.......almost 40 shooters alone........ Nightmare, pretty much fill a board ourselves.
Absolutely no reason to be squadding boards at 6:30am Saturday morning, foolishness.

Do it Friday afternoon
Also, post 8am Friday morning, starting target for the boards, make things a lot better for EVERYONE for the next two days :wink:
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I think a good idea would be have preregistration available and anyone that preregisters would get to squad early, the shooters that wait right before the shoot to sign up would have to fill in the spots that are left.
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My thoughts too. (Shadows Solution #2)

One last question and I'm gonna drop this subject til spring. Hopefully a few more shooters that went to matches and got the short end of a relay will speak up.

First, In my opinion if I'm shooting Black Powder, 6 shooters per relay is the perfect size. Any less and those wiping really get rushed
Second, I think its unfair not to give everyone the same number of clean targets.

Since nothing is perfect and you never get the perfect number of shooters , if you are given the choice of shooting 3 relays per target with approximately 6 shooters per relay or 4 relays with 4-5 shooters , which would be preferable ?

Reason I'm asking, If you have 4 targets, and 4 relays per target, you shoot 2 relays, paint targets, shoot 2 relays, move to another target while painting, easy peasy !!

If you have 3 relays, to give everyone 2 clean targets you would have to shoot 2 relays, stop and clean targets, shoot the third relay, move to the next target and shoot the first relay, then stop and clean targets then shoot the next two targets etc.

that might get too complicated for some, and I'm sure the smokeless shooters could care less, but seems that would be the only fair way for BP shooters.

Any Opinions ??
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Brian S.

First, I believe everyone running matches does their level best at making things 'fair'. Sometimes new things are tried that don't work so you move on. I much prefer six (6) shooters to a relay and based on the number of shooters that may mean two, three or four relays. Six shooters makes for a much more relaxed and enjoyable shoot. After all that's why we're there, to have fun. Painting will always be an issue, some years you win, some years you lose. The way they switch the boards at the 'Q' can work for you or against you, it's happened to me. I think you need to remain flexible here, let the number of shooters, the weather and any other variables guide you on the day. If it's a 'Mary Poppins' day then the number of hits will be high and painting will be required more often. If it's blowing 40 MPH then I would expect painting less frequently would be in order. :lol: As a shooter I think we have to remain flexible too. Depending on the condition of the target (how grey it is) and it's shape I switch apertures from reticle to cross-hair to post. If I have a fresh target with a nice white center I will use a cross-hair. On a 'grey' rectangular target a post works while on a circle or octagon a reticle does the job. If it's an overcast day with poor visibility then this old eye reaches for the scope.

Thanks for asking, Paul
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Brian six shooters works just fine. But one thing that would make me happy is that you cut that bush off above #3 at the 1000 I shoot at it a lot :lol:

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Are you hitting it Kurt???
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