Bullet sizing?

Monty · Post by **Monty** » Sat May 15, 2004 3:11 pm

Hi,
I’m new to this so I have a dumb question. Can an under sized bullet, say .456 be sized up to .458 in a Lyman 450 bullet sizer?
Thanks,
Monty

wolfie · Post by **wolfie** » Sat May 15, 2004 3:24 pm

simple anser no,you would have to plug up the bullet path and and squish the bullet real good.
i would just melt them down and recast in the right size mould.

Ken Hartlein · Post by **Ken Hartlein** » Sat May 15, 2004 3:28 pm

Monte, the only dumb question is the one you don't ask. You should see some of the questions I asked when I started BPCRS.

Wolfie is right on as usual.

8iowa · Post by **8iowa** » Sat May 15, 2004 3:32 pm

Monty: No such thing as a dumb question.

If you use a .456 die in your lubra-sizer, the bullets should come out perfectly lubed and sized. In shooting them however, they might not orbitrate in the bore, which could cause barrel leading. Using softer lead would be helpful.

Using a .458 sizing die would probably result in a gooey mess in your sizer.

In order to load a .456 bullet you might have to invest in a new smaller diameter neck expander die. The bullet might be too loose in the case if you use the standard expander.

wolfie · Post by **wolfie** » Sat May 15, 2004 4:17 pm

careful ken you mite swell my head telling me i am right

but could you call my wife and tell her

Monty · Post by **Monty** » Sat May 15, 2004 8:15 pm

I guess I need a new mould; does Steve Brooks have a web sight?
Should I go with a Paul Jones or Steve Brooks mould?
I need a good hunting bullet for my 45-110. Something in the 400 to 500 grain range.
Thanks for the info so far!
Monty

Ken Hartlein · Post by **Ken Hartlein** » Sat May 15, 2004 10:51 pm

Paul Jones has a web site, Steve doesn't. Either one could make you an excellant mold. I have a question about sizing also, someone on this web said they thought lyman or RCBS sizing dies would fit in SAECO lubrisizers?? Does anyone know this for sure??? I know the top punches will not fit but how about the sizing dies??

JAGG · Post by **JAGG** » Tue May 18, 2004 5:25 pm

M ! What is your groove diameter ? If you have a 457 or 458 diameter groove dia. your 456 bullets might work if cast of a lead /tin only alloy ! JAGG

RANGER RICK · Post by **RANGER RICK** » Tue May 18, 2004 6:25 pm

Ken

I have a Saeco and a RCBS lube-a-matic . Saeco dies and top punches are threaded and will not work in lyman or rcbs .

RR

Ken Hartlein · Post by **Ken Hartlein** » Tue May 18, 2004 6:53 pm

Thanks Ranger Rick, I knew I could count on you for an answer. I am getting more lube on the side of the bullet than I like and I'm using a .459 sizing die. I have a feeling a .458 would work just as well for my rifle and I wouldn't have near as much lube to clean off. I guess I'll have to call BA and order one, I thought if the RCBS would fit I might get one locally. Oh well.

Omaha Poke · Post by **Omaha Poke** » Tue May 18, 2004 7:47 pm

Ken, throw away that lube-sizer, and start pan lubing. Since I started pan lubing, I have not had to do anything buy give the bullets a quick wipe on a paper towel before loading. No More scraping the sides of the bullet, or the base, and each bullet has the same amount of lube

I really like it, and you don't have the added expense of the lube sizer. Randy

Omaha Poke · Post by **Omaha Poke** » Tue May 18, 2004 7:49 pm

Ken, forgot to say that I only give the base of the bullet a quick wipe on the towel, everything else is perfectly clean. Randy

Ken Hartlein · Post by **Ken Hartlein** » Tue May 18, 2004 11:28 pm

Uh Huh, and if I throw the brand new Saeco away I guess you might be close by??? ha ha ha ha ha ha. I've tried pan lubeing and I didn't like it, but I do like "dip" lubeing, it works better I think. But, when you live in an RV most of the time it's a little unhandy to do all that stuff in the kitchen on a gas range. If we ever settle down I might go back to pan or dip lubeing again. Or is it lubing??

8iowa · Post by **8iowa** » Wed May 19, 2004 8:59 am

I don't even want think about the response I'd get from my wife if I melted lube in the kitchen.

My Lyman 4500 lub-sizer works great. I get a fast production rate, perfect bullets, and the operation is not the least bit messy.

While I may order an expensive custom mold someday, I'm very happy with the options offered by Lyman and RCBS at much lower cost.

KHR · Post by **KHR** » Wed May 19, 2004 9:23 am

John,
here are two really good hunting bullets. first the lyman 457193 http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,1523.html In 30/1 it weighs about 420 grains, it is really an effective round. Also try a pure lead paper patched round either 450g or 510g (tapered) http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/2,98.html Pure lead PP bullets expand really nicely at black powder velocities. The 450g is what I will hunt with next season, besides a PP in a 45/110 is super cool!!!

keith