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Well you guys take care shooting in the high temp.
I lost a lot of my center vision at the Q last year that the Eye Doc said was from the high temperature that raised the pressure in the jell and heavy recoil from the rifle. I tore the retina in both eyes and I have a hard time now using a scope on a clear day focusing on the target without it graying out. Shooting the match I could not see the targets that were in the morning shadows.
I have a hard time reading this computer screen with the black spot in my center vision.

I have not shot in conditions like Phoenix but I did try a 5:1 oil mix ( ballistol). Used Baco’s bore pigs. Felts were saturated and one moist patch with the mix , both shoved through then two dry patches and dried the chamber. Bad case stretch necks were pulled into the rifling. Is that common with just ‘Ballistol’ ? Or is it common with most water soluble oils? Only once did I have carbon build up near the muzzle. A real pain to remove it. I’m just using water now with a slow push on the pig and a dry patch. The gun shoots pretty good.
CheersRichard Martel

Anyone shooting with a stainless barrel that can tell the difference in fouling compared to a cm barrel,?

Flatside too much oil and not near enough water.

It’s that simple.

If ole Kurt can’t see the difference in shooting a 15 shot Relay with sighters roughly 19-20 shots in 45 minutes vrs 8 Shots in 20. Well either reading comprehension isn’t his forte, or he is disingenuous.

Either way… I rest comfortably knowing I will never see him in a Creedmoor match west of the big muddy. Yet he is argumentative enough to challenge statements he doesn’t know shit about. Yet being absolutely clueless has never stopped him from disagreeing. I have done both in high temps, and the Quigley is noting like Phoenix, or Raton for that matter. Neither place has seen ole Kurt ever, just saying.

I have seen what too much carbon does to accuracy, it happens fast and the effects are drastic. Doc Lay found out one year at Phoenix.

The Moro-7 allows one to shoot all week, instead of cleaning the rifle every night.

That’s what causes more barrel wear than anything else. think about that.

KW

flatsguide wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:53 pm I have not shot in conditions like Phoenix but I did try a 5:1 oil mix ( ballistol). Used Baco’s bore pigs. Felts were saturated and one moist patch with the mix , both shoved through then two dry patches and dried the chamber. Bad case stretch necks were pulled into the rifling. Is that common with just ‘Ballistol’ ? Or is it common with most water soluble oils? Only once did I have carbon build up near the muzzle. A real pain to remove it. I’m just using water now with a slow push on the pig and a dry patch. The gun shoots pretty good.
CheersRichard Martel

I have had good luck with the NAPA oil but mixing it 10:1. Maybe try your oil mix at 10:1 and see if that solves your problems but if the plane water is working for you then I guess there isn’t a reason to change.

Kenny I think you need to take a deep breath and put that cork back in the bottle.
I just as asked what was wrong with just using water.

Kurt, that's just Kenny W being Kenny W. he's a master of the colloquial banter.

but.....I thank you for your advice. I shoot in Florida. 88 degrees and 90% humidity is a 'nice day', and soap and water every five shots does it.
but I only shoot at 100 here....(stop smirking Kenny)...so I do what works. I don't have a leading or cleaning problem.
I clean with 'real' turpentine occasionally an never have a leading problem.

in my 40 70 SS Shiloh 74, I shoot 5 then clean. it's 64 1F, GG 395 BA cast 1/16.SPG lube unisized.
what about the opinion of cleaning every shot.
it it worth it?

thanks
Ken...(no not THAT Ken) HA

Kurt, you condescending asshole.

First of all I haven’t had a drop in some time, I don’t drink alone at home or that often. And I am home. Nor was I drinking when I posted my rebuttal to your asshole post.

You have no idea what I do or don’t.
No cork to put into anything, here buddy, but may I suggest you shove a cork up your own ass. because all you posted was a shit hemorrhage, over what you think you know. And guess what you pile of condescending shit, you were dead wrong.

If you want to learn bring your ass to someplace like Phoenix and find out. Instead you just disagree, oh and a semi load of excuses for not attending. You’re fucking legendary for excuses for not attending matches.

What said last night wasn’t out of any old bottle, came straight from the heart. You have a misconception of me, I won’t try to change it. You are a fucking acquaintance, nothing more, and a bad one.

Kenny Wasserburger

Well Kenny I wish you good health.

And this thread demonstrates exactly what turns new folks off about BPCR.

Craig

I've used M-pro 7 with a bit of CRC true tap cutting oil to wipe between shots for years.

45bpcr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:58 pm And this thread demonstrates exactly what turns new folks off about BPCR.

Craig

Craig,

There is some good information on this thread and some useful discussion by some fine folks. I agree with your point, though. The thread was derailed by profanity and personal attacks. Sad.

Chemistry tells us that water works on the majority of the fouling left behind from firing a BP cartridge. Except one component, carbon. The end product of combustion and the graphite coating on the powder.

Butch’s BP boreshine has MPro-7 in it for that problem. As the US Government found out they needed a solvent for their big bore 20-30mm chain guns. Hence the development of the MPro solvent, to remove carbon.

Other solvents are also made for the issue of carbon removal, yet we all know the biggest wear and tear our barrels face is from cleaning them.

The use of Mpro7 cleaning solution works to keep that carbon fouling under control shot to shot, precludes the need of a vigorous barrel cleaning session every night after a days string of fire. That’s primary why I use it. It’s mostly water with a touch of solvent, carbon solvent.

If I were to go back too moose milk I would probably cut it to 10-1. Unfortunately I used it for years to wipe between shots. Then spent hours getting the carbon fouling out of the barrel.

I have also used anti freeze, 50/50 stuff. Personally I think it needs cut a further 50%. I tried it uncut after my Mpro7 CLP fiasco at Phoenix. It was still too oily in my opinion.

Kenny W.

Oh look Glenn Ring is back.

Lol.

KW

Well, I was going to ask about Butch’s BP Bore Shine for cleaning. After 40 rounds at our range I cleaned the bore with 50/50 Windex with Vinegar soaked patches, which is what I use for wiping between shots. Patches came out clean so I ran a couple of dry patches down the bore to dry it and the ran a patch with Butches BP Bore Shine down the bore, no black on the patch. I ran down to retrieve my targets and then ran a dry patch down the bore again and it came out brown. I freaked out and haven’t used it since. What was that brown stuff? I ran several more dry patches down the bore and then a patch with BC Barricade. No further concerns. OE powder in a 45-110.