Gentlemen, fellow shooters. Those who are on the quest of knowledge.
X- unknown Quantity.
Spurt- a drip under pressure.
I have watched this thread with interest.
I submit to you my past experiences these past 3 weeks or so.
We have fired approximately 220 rounds of PP in several matches these past few weeks, my Traditional Creedmoor Match, and the BPTRA Creedmoor Nationals. My observations were thus, absolutely no paper rings.
My Shiloh 45-110 25# rifle was used for these matches. It has the standard chamber
that some X-perts claim is death to fine accuracy and is the cause of all our woes in paper rings.
I submit this, for there to be paper rings there must be space for the paper to move into?
My cases are trimmed to 2.880
right to the chamber stop.
My cases are annealed every other firing.
I use 14-1 Alloy
I use my tried and proven Wad Stack,
said by many to be not worthwhile.
I run 103 to 110 grs of 1.5 or 1 FG powder. This past month it was 103 grs of Olde Eynsford 1.5.
In 230 shots I had 2 paper rings both at my match, one resulted in an outer and the other a Bullseye. The bull was at 1000 yards. At the BPTRA Nationals zero paper rings.
Facts:
In the original Creedmoor Era pure lead or very low tin alloy were not used with PP in target Rifle competition. Perry’s account of the 1879 Match lists the softest alloy used at 14-1.
Soft alloy isn’t the answer. Before anyone wishes to argue that point, gather up your National Championship medals, first. Then we can talk, I been shooting PP in competition since 2007.
Conditions and the proper interpretations of them are a much more worthwhile endeavor to engage in conversation. This past weekend I had 13.5 MOA of right of my no wind zero on several occasions,
get out of your eastern wind tunnels come west and shoot in some conditions.
A soft alloy bullet will look like a wad cutter at the exit of the barrel, and in any real conditions with perform poorly. Come west prove me wrong.
The top two performing bullets at my match, were Cast at least 15-1 or harder!!!
That includes the mile target in some tough conditions. 18-20 MOA of right, of the spindrift compensation at one mile, if you don’t know what that is then refrain from commenting because you ain’t got a clue.
The biggest bugaboo is my fouling control regime for paper patch, in that it’s very time consuming. And makes fast follow up shots impossible. Especially in a 15 shot short time 1000 yard string of fire.
Warm and very dry conditions on the high plains requires extreme measures, again if you’re not doing it then refrain from comments, you ain’t got a clue. I am talking RH below 17%.
I had what I call a rookie mistake let my Gullo wipes dry out, on the 900 day two, this cost me several low misses.
The conditions this past weekend are shown in the scores, it was very challenging.
Make your cases to fit your chamber perfectly, anneal often,
so you get that perfect radial expansion of the case neck.
I will go to using two Gullo wipes then just two dry patches for fouling control, if this isn’t successful I am going back to the tried and proven Greaser. The old timers didn’t shoot under tight time restrictions, and could watch fellows ahead of them before time to shoot again.
and they never shot out west.
Kenny Wasserburger.
Recovered bullets from a mile give some interesting feedback and information
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Something that almost no one has access to that kind of feedback.
See you at the 2023 warmup for the 2024 150th anniversary of Traditional Creedmoor Matches, no faux paper, no position restrictions, Shoot in turn on Steel
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We'll raise up our Glasses against Evil Forces, Singing, Whiskey for my men, Beer for my horses.
Wyoming Territory Sharps Shooter