Iron or scope class

[John Bly]

Hey Woody, did you have spider webs in the rear aperture before your cataract surgery? Are they gone now? I've seen spider webs for years and went bigger on the aperture size to reduce them, but nothing works now. I'm having cataract surgery next week. I hope to be able to shoot irons again next year.

[steveu834]

I'm really appreciating this discussion, thanks Dave, et al. I wish more of the top shooters would weigh in. I have more experimenting and learning to do in in proper sight picture and mechanics of shooting. Oh, and determining wind and other environmental adjustmens.

Mike,
If you want to learn from a top shooter pick up a copy of “Prone and Long-Range Rifle Shooting “by Nancy Tomkins. It’s centered around high power shooting, but the basics of marksmanship are in it. There are other books on this subject as well.

Cheers,
Steve

[Kurt]

Hey Woody, did you have spider webs in the rear aperture before your cataract surgery? Are they gone now? I've seen spider webs for years and went bigger on the aperture size to reduce them, but nothing works now. I'm having cataract surgery next week. I hope to be able to shoot irons again next year.

Hey John,
I'm beyond spider webs I now see the cob webs like you will see in a barn
Let me know how things work out when you get the new lamps installed. I'm still waiting for turn in line.

[DeadEye]

Mike,

If you don't know who Nancy Tomkins is her father is Mid Tomkins the man to whom the Burger building in Ben Avery is dedicated to. I was working the line at the Western Nationals about ten years ago collecting score cards and keeping the pits on their toes. Nancy finished her string and gave me her card, 199/200/14X at a 1000 yards. Her sister Michelle, equally as good, had just become a member of the Golden Knights, US Army flying team and couldn't be there. Your time will not be wasted reading what she has to say.

Paul

[Woody]

John, I never had spider webs. My issue was, I could not see the target once it found it's way into the aperture or close to front blade. It grayed out or completely disappeared. I'm able to see a black target now. When did they start painting them black? I've got no negatives with the new eyes.

Woody

[steveu834]

Mike,

If you don't know who Nancy Tomkins is her father is Mid Tomkins the man to whom the Burger building in Ben Avery is dedicated to. I was working the line at the Western Nationals about ten years ago collecting score cards and keeping the pits on their toes. Nancy finished her string and gave me her card, 199/200/14X at a 1000 yards. Her sister Michelle, equally as good, had just become a member of the Golden Knights, US Army flying team and couldn't be there. Your time will not be wasted reading what she has to say.

Paul

Paul,
Nancy is married to Mid. Michelle and Sherri are her daughters. Sherri was recruited by the AMU to shoot for them and then she went on to jump out of perfectly good airplanes.

Cheers,
Steve

[DeadEye]

Thank you for correcting my mistake Steve. It was the year they dedicated the building and the hi-light for me was standing 10 feet from Dr. Jesse McGuire as he played the Stars and Stripes. The best. There were 310 shooters there that week, pretty special. We were doing the camp host thing for the winter and it was a great opportunity to be part of it.

Paul

[ian45662]

Ian,

I think you still have "young eyes"

Woody

I do some what but try it!! Next time you’re just looking through your sights just keep closing that rear aperture one click at a time and see what that does to your animals. Continue to focus on the front aperture of course but for myself a tighter rear and a larger front aperture has given me my best scores. You might like it but then again you might not.

[mike herth]

Exactly what I'm going to do! I have trouble seeing the MVA aperture on a black bull at 200 yards.

[semtav]

Exactly what I'm going to do! I have trouble seeing the MVA aperture on a black bull at 200 yards.

That's the problem with shooting a black target up close. You can't see the black front aperture.
Take the aperture out and put a washer in or leave out completely.

or.............

Use a Fridge door. that eliminates the problem

[ian45662]

I was fortunate enough to gab a set of front Apertures from Jim before his untimely passing. I got a very wide range of inserts. I also had the wall or the annulus made very thick so that I could actually look at and focus on it. I could make out the super thin ones that I had before. I can use one large enough to where the black has white around it. At one time early in my silhoette career I thought that using the smallest front would be the best but the targets would bleed into the aperture itself. Same thing for the 200 yard load development targets I use. For me personally I err on the side of to large rather than to small on the front.

[Woody]

You can stack two MVA inserts in the MVA front sights. I do that to get a "fat" black around the target.

Woody

[Kurt]

Exactly what I'm going to do! I have trouble seeing the MVA aperture on a black bull at 200 yards.

That's the problem with shooting a black target up close. You can't see the black front aperture.
Take the aperture out and put a washer in or leave out completely.

or.............

Use a Fridge door. that eliminates the problem

Naw, fridge doors won't work either. Too many holes in them. cant see the hits

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[jackrabbit]

The whole focus on the front site thing as always eluded me. You are not shooting at the front sight, you are shooting at the target. Why would I not want to be looking at what I am shooting at? The more I focus on the front sight, the more I doubt it has been centered. I focus on the target and don't pay any attention to the sights, I just look through them. My eye naturally centers in the apertures. I come from a background of shooting a lot of moving targets, either running coyotes or flying birds and clay birds. You sure can't pay attention to the sights much there.

I know full well who Lones Wigger is, and he is an awesome guy. I also know he was shooting at stationary, round black bulls on nice white backgrounds, not odd shaped silhouette targets. Silhouette is a different game than paper bulls in schuetzen or olympic style matches. Really, I think this discussion really brings out the point that you have to find what works for you and then practice that.
To each their own, Cody

ps, is it sites or sights for crying out loud...I can't ever remember. lol

[John Bly]

I think Cody is right on this concerning shooting silhouettes. A round bullseye slightly out of focus should present no problem but odd shapes with varying backgrounds is another issue entirely, especially something like a turkey shape.