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With the increased popularity of this caliber I would believe that a concerted effort by those shooting this caliber to contact Starline may result in their consideration to begin manufacture. Typically the cost of tooling can only be justified by demand and I believe there are sufficient numbers of 44-77 shooters to fill this requirement. Rim thickness is one issue that would have to be addressed. Baco's once-a-year supply is limited and never sufficient to meet demand. If everyone who shoots this caliber would contact Starline to inquire if they would be willing to tool up it may have positive results. The squeaky wheel gets the grease so to speak.

Their not interested in the old timey cartridges anymore their interest is the new cartridges and popular smokeless cases like 277 Wolverine and such. They won’t even do 44-40 WCF or 32-20 WCF and their tooled up for those and have always been good sellers.
Exercise in futility to request their time to tool up for something they have never made.

That rim issue is indeed a big problem as newer made rifles in this cartridge seem to all use thinner rims. My two old original Remingtons use the thicker .080" rims.

It’s a shame that no one makes new, properly-headstamped 44-77 brass as it is such a neat chambering. I wouldn’t hold your breath about Starline making any. Last time I talked with them about a backorder I brought up the question of a .25-20 run and they just laughed off the suggestion. I feel pretty lucky that I was able to get some .45-90 brass from them a while back.

My question is what happened to the tooling that Jameson had for all the odd calibers? And why hasn't anyone picked up that ball?
Charles

Ah yes..the apparent eternal question " will whomever took on the Jamieson/ Captech equipment ever get it up and running and commercially viable" ? I'd certainly add to my 44/77 brass if they did. I know when I ordered some RMC brass, after a bit of measuring I specified .076 " and they were delivered 'right on the money'. I could chamber .077" most of the time but didnt want to run the risk. Running a few thou under is clearly less of an issue than running over. Especially once the cases have been fire formed. To think of that gear ( Jamieson etc ) languishing somewhere is quite sad really. I'd happily stock up on 44/77 and 40/70 Straight just for starters ! Now if Starline would run the 50/110 then at least BACo might then be able to produce some of their 44 x 2 1/4" to suit.

J.B.

A number of years ago, quite a few of us begged Starline to produce .45-75 Win. brass (which Jameson used to make) for our Uberti 1876 rifles, which at the time were still being imported in that caliber. There are many thousands of us who would buy a lot of factory-made brass in .45-75, but we got no positive response from Starline after our concerted efforts to sway them. I don't know, but I suspect that there are more of us with Uberti (and original) rifles in .45-75 than there are with Shiloh (and original) rifles in .44-77. I'm not saying that it might not work another time, but it was kind of discouraging in that case. I wish that I could be more hopeful.

By the way, being a glutton for punishment, I have a Shiloh in .44-77, but I didn't order it until after I had acquired a supply of brass from BACO.

Griff

Griff wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:02 pm

By the way, being a glutton for punishment, I have a Shiloh in .44-77, but I didn't order it until after I had acquired a supply of brass from BACO.

Griff

I've advocated for brass 1st before you order for years. Glutton for punishment? You are only that when you don't line the brass, molds, dies and other tooling up before you order the gun. Way to many times on this forum I've heard 1 st time bpr owners pissing and moaning because the stuff they.want and need is not instantly availible. Baco does a pretty decent.job of trying to supply hard to find brass but when you need it and they are out you need to back order it so they know the demand is there. Why would they make a run of something that isn't being asked for ? Then there are the posters who.wax eloquently on and on about the virtues of a cartridge you play hell to find brass for (40-70 ss etc). Bobw

Griff,
I lucked out some years ago while wanting a Uberti 1876 rifle in 45-75 when running around the local show before opening (as a member). and for $600 I picked up a like new rifle, 100 loaded BP rounds in new Jameson brass, CH4d die set, and boxes of bullets. Made my day and 100 rounds is enough for my needs but it is fun to shot.
Charles

bohemianway wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:45 pm Griff,
I lucked out some years ago while wanting a Uberti 1876 rifle in 45-75 when running around the local show before opening (as a member). and for $600 I picked up a like new rifle, 100 loaded BP rounds in new Jameson brass, CH4d die set, and boxes of bullets. Made my day and 100 rounds is enough for my needs but it is fun to shot.
Charles

I don't want to "hijack" this thread, but...

Wow -- even years ago you got an awesome deal. I paid much more for my Uberti NWMP carbine, but I really like that gun. Jamison was still producing brass at that time; if I'd have foreseen that ending, I'd have bought a lot more since they don't last as long as brass fired in a Shiloh Sharps. I have to form my .45-75 from Starline .50-90 brass (I bought a bunch when they were readily available). It takes me a long time without a lathe, but it keeps my gun fed.

Following the advice of others here, I bought several hundred pieces of .44-77 brass before I ordered my Sharps and I'm glad to be pretty much set in that regard. I'll mention that (if I'm remembering correctly) BACO didn't show the brass in stock when I ordered, but the brass arrived in a reasonable time.

Griff

I am surprised that Pedroselli or Umberti don't make the old time brass. They certainly make enough reproductions, you would think they would make the brass to match? What would be nice is, if they or Starline would simply make the base brass for each caliber and then let us cut to the size we want...

It just takes money. Call them , make a major order , then scratch it out for the order.
Then sell the excess.

^^^^^^^^
He’s right you know

RB1Shooter wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 10:14 pm I am surprised that Pedroselli or Umberti don't make the old time brass. They certainly make enough reproductions, you would think they would make the brass to match? What would be nice is, if they or Starline would simply make the base brass for each caliber and then let us cut to the size we want...

This is something I've always wondered about also. If the companies making brass don't want to make all the variations, why not at least make one base brass and offer that so we can form, trim, etc. to our needs?
Seems this would remove a lot of their extra costs to final form and stamp heads on cases, and allow them much easier production costs they could pass along to the buyers.

A box of 20 .43 Spanish was posted for sale on ASSRA for $65. plus shipping and an hour later it was sold

maybe I should empty my coffee cans that have HDS Huntington's/Bell .44 basic as well as .44 Jamison .44-77 and .44-90 brass and order a new 77 Sharps.